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cn_habs said:

Then I hope the Americans won't be surprised when those Stingers end up in Afganistan.

Look at today's Egypt aka the next Shariah state! I wonder why are those Western human rights group keeping their mouth shut now that Egyptian women could literally become men's sex slaves. Every single Iraqi I have had the pleasure of meeting in Canada said that they much preferred Saddam regime's stability to the current Iraqi administration.

Once Assad's regime falls, we all know Syria is pretty much guaranteed to become another one of those cluster fvcks. The West has accomplished nothing but to destabilize the Middle East so far.

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Franklin said:

I'm less concerned that some of those Stingers are going to end up in Afghanistan but rather i'm more concerned that some of those stingers may end up here in Europe. Militants can use these Stingers to shoot down passenger jets. I know it sounds like right wing neo-con scaremongering trash talk, but it could happen. And do we know if what the rebels are using are Stingers ? And if so, where did they get those Stingers ? CIA ? Turkey ? We just don't learn its the same story from Afghanistan in the 1980's to Libya in 2011 we back people that we don't know who they are or what their intentions are or what their abilities are to run a country. But we back them because for what ever reason we don't like the other guy rather its Khadaffi, Saddam Hussein or the Soviet Union. The enemy of my enemy is my friend that is what we live by. But most of the times things are not that simple and we get burned over and over again. The Afghan Mujahideens where the good guys, that is untill one of their former member flew a few airplanes into buildings in America. The Libyan rebels where the good guys that is untill some of their former fighters set fire to a US consulate and killed the US ambassador there. And Syria is going to be another disaster because our leaders are dealing with the salon revolutionaries with suits and ties in Turkish hotel lobbies but we know very little about the people on the ground doing the real fighting and it is those people that is going to become the real power in Syria if and when al-Assad should fall. Not the salon revolutionaries with the suits and ties.

Egypt won't become a sharia state where women will become sex slaves i think that it will be more like Turkey under the current government of the Justice and Development Party. Because the military that is still very powerful, the people of Egypt and America won't stand for it.

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The Rebels' Improved Air Defense Capability

Isolated and surrounded, regime forces in the north are increasingly relying on air support for both defense and supply. However, this advantage is deteriorating every day and is increasingly threatened by the rebels' improved air defense arsenal and tactics.

The rebels first attempted to acquire air defense weaponry by seizing heavy machine guns and anti-aircraft artillery. They captured a number of air defense bases, taking 12.7 mm DShK heavy machine guns, 14.5 mm KPV heavy machine guns and even 23 mm ZU-23-2 autocannons. Over time, the rebels became more proficient with these weapons, and an increasing number of Syrian air force fixed-wing and rotary aircraft were shot down. The rebels also formed hunter-killer groups with air defense equipment mounted on flatbed trucks that provided them mobile platforms for targeting regime air and infantry units.

As more and more regime bases were taken, the rebels were able to bolster their air defense equipment through the capture of a number of man-portable air-defense systems. At the outset of the conflict, the Syrian military maintained a large inventory of shoulder-fired air-defense missiles, likely thousands of missiles ranging from early generation SA-7s to very advanced SA-24s. These missiles were stored in army bases across the country. There are also unconfirmed reports that Qatar and Saudi Arabia may have transferred some man-portable air-defense systems to the rebels through Turkey.

The rebels tallied their first confirmed kill with shoulder-fired air-defense missiles Nov. 27, when they shot down a Syrian Arab Air Force Mi-8/17 helicopter near Aleppo city. The weapon system used in the attack was likely an SA-7, SA-16 or SA-24 captured from the 46th regiment. The surface-to-air missiles are a serious upgrade in the rebels' air defense capability.

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cn_habs said:

Then I hope the Americans won't be surprised when those Stingers end up in Afganistan.

Look at today's Egypt aka the next Shariah state! I wonder why are those Western human rights group keeping their mouth shut now that Egyptian women could literally become men's sex slaves. Every single Iraqi I have had the pleasure of meeting in Canada said that they much preferred Saddam regime's stability to the current Iraqi administration.

Once Assad's regime falls, we all know Syria is pretty much guaranteed to become another one of those cluster fvcks. The West has accomplished nothing but to destabilize the Middle East so far.

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Syria Uses Scud Missiles in New Effort to Push Back Rebels
By MICHAEL R. GORDON and ERIC SCHMITT
The Syrian leadership may be calculating that it can resort to such lethal arms without fear of intervention partly because Washington has set its "red line" at the use of chemical weapons.

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Franklin said:

I'm less concerned that some of those Stingers are going to end up in Afghanistan but rather i'm more concerned that some of those stingers may end up here in Europe. Militants can use these Stingers to shoot down passenger jets. I know it sounds like right wing neo-con scaremongering trash talk, but it could happen. And do we know if what the rebels are using are Stingers ? And if so, where did they get those Stingers ? CIA ? Turkey ? We just don't learn its the same story from Afghanistan in the 1980's to Libya in 2011 we back people that we don't know who they are or what their intentions are or what their abilities are to run a country. But we back them because for what ever reason we don't like the other guy rather its Khadaffi, Saddam Hussein or the Soviet Union. The enemy of my enemy is my friend that is what we live by. But most of the times things are not that simple and we get burned over and over again. The Afghan Mujahideens where the good guys, that is untill one of their former member flew a few airplanes into buildings in America. The Libyan rebels where the good guys that is untill some of their former fighters set fire to a US consulate and killed the US ambassador there. And Syria is going to be another disaster because our leaders are dealing with the salon revolutionaries with suits and ties in Turkish hotel lobbies but we know very little about the people on the ground doing the real fighting and it is those people that is going to become the real power in Syria if and when al-Assad should fall. Not the salon revolutionaries with the suits and ties.

Egypt won't become a sharia state where women will become sex slaves i think that it will be more like Turkey under the current government of the Justice and Development Party. Because the military that is still very powerful, the people of Egypt and America won't stand for it.

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Pointblank said:

It is more than likely that the rebels have gotten their hands on Syrian Army caches of weapons, and have become more competent in the use and employment of such weapons:

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delft said:

I want to get attention to this article I have not taken the time to read in

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The Scud is an antique liquid fueled rocket, from the time of the Il-28 bomber, but so much effort has Western propaganda invested in them over the last quarter of a century that we are supposed to shudder in our arm chairs by the thought of Al Qaeda people being attacked with these things.

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Obama Issues Scud Propaganda For War On Syria

Michael Gordon, famous for writing Iraq WMD scare stories together with Judith Miller, is again willingly distributing administration scare stories and to promote a new war: Syria Fires Scud Missiles at Insurgents, U.S. Says

Syrian forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad have fired Scud missiles at rebel fighters in recent days, Obama administration officials said on Wednesday.
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One American official, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing classified information, said that missiles had been fired from the Damascus area at targets in northern Syria.

“The total is number is probably north of six now,” said another American official, and that the targets were in areas controlled by the Free Syrian Army, the main armed insurgent group.

I call that bullshit. There have been no reports on Scud impacts from the terrorists fighting the Syrian government and people. Martin Chulov, who currently reports for the Guardian from northern Syria, tweeted:

No word of this in the north: US says #Syria Fires Scud Missiles at Insurgents #news

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Are we to believe that the Syrian government uses Scuds against the terrorists without any casualties being reported and without even one rumors on the ground over such alleged shooting and their impacts?

Like with the false WMD scare over Iraq and recent false chemical weapon mixing claims in Syria the British government is joined at the hip with the U.S government and propagandist Michael Gordon in distributing this scam:

British officals said intelligence reports indicated that the regime first fired a Scud missile on Monday and the firing has continued.

This is just more nonsense from those who want to get NATO to fight a regime-change war against Syria.

Some 70 bribed and pressed nations, the "enemies of Syria", are currently meeting in Marrakesh and the U.S. wants them to recognize the sectarian Muslim Brotherhood exiles it has organized as a Syrian opposition and to pay up for the continuation of the terror operation against the Syrian people.

Also today the German parliament discusses the stationing of Patriot missiles in Turkey. The final vote will be Friday. What better way to influence that than claiming that Syria shot off some missiles.

There is also bad news for the U.S. plans that this propaganda may cover up. A huge car bomb went off in front of the Syrian interior ministry again confirming that the Syrian government is indeed fighting against terrorists. This while the U.S. created puppet exiles group demanded that the U.S. designation of Jabhat al Nusra as a terrorist group be taken back:

The leader of the National Coalition, cleric Moaz al-Khatib, also criticised a US decision to put an Islamist militia active in Syria on its list of banned terrorist organisations.

Doesn't make that demand the "National Coalition" supporter of terrorists?

Lets hope that no one falls for Obama's obvious Scud propaganda.

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asif iqbal said:

In light of the recent scud threats Turkey has now installed Patriot III missiles, as Turkey is a NATO member its been deployed these systems by the Germans and Americans

If Syria makes the big mistake of attacking Syria the situation will get very dire for the Syrian regime

Never the less its a wellcome addition to have these systems in place to intercept any incoming missiles from Syria

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