Equation
Lieutenant General
It looks like the F-15 unleashed it's flares to divert the incoming missile just enough to clip the wing?
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Jura The idiot
General
oh the vid shows to you; not to me though LOL!
EDIT now it shows also to me, but at first it just didn't
well, the aircraft didn't end up in a fireball, which I think it would if hit hard
I'm bluffing the aircraft survived
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Jura The idiot
General
I think you need to wait for next timeThere goes the bragging rights and perfect record that an F-15 has NEVER been shot down by an opposing forces.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Not really, the record was never having been shot down by opposing air forces. Since this was a ground to air kill the record stands.There goes the bragging rights and perfect record that an F-15 has NEVER been shot down by an opposing forces.
timepass
Brigadier
SAUDI ARABIA COULD CLAIM FS56 FAC IT ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR LEBANON
The La Tribune that Saudi Arabia could finalize a €250 million order for three Combattante FS56 fast attack craft (FAC) from the French shipbuilder CMN Group.
Saudi Arabia had originally negotiated for the FS56 with the intention of equipping the Lebanese Navy, but the aid program was scuttled amid a cool in bilateral relations between Beirut and Riyadh.
The FS56 has an overall length of 56 m. Built from a steel hull and aluminum superstructure, the FS56 can reach a top speed of 38 knots, and at 15 knots, it can reach a range of 2,500 nautical miles.
Its armament includes two quad-cells for anti-ship missiles (AShM), a main 76 mm or 57 mm gun and an air defence unit comprising of two pedestal-mounted surface-to-air missiles (SAM). It can also be armed with two remote-weapon-stations for cannons up to 30 mm.
In terms of electronics, the FS56 can be fitted with an air and surface surveillance radar, fire-control radar, integrated navigation system, integrated communication system and electronic support measures (ESM).
Besides guarding littoral waters, the FS56 can be deployed for policing exclusive economic zones, interdict maritime criminal activity – such as piracy and smuggling – and undertake intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance activities using its radar and ESM suite.
This order could be Riyadh’s sign of initiating its long-term naval modernization program. Currently, it has various letters-of-intent (LOI) for the potential purchase of naval warships from the U.S., Spain and Turkey.
It has yet to implement those orders, but they include big-ticket items such as the Lockheed Martin Multi-Mission Surface Combatant (MMSC), a development of the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS), Navantia Avante 2200 corvettes and the Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret AŞ (STM) MILGEM.
The FS56 could be a potential start to supplanting some of Saudi Arabia’s al-Sadiq-class patrol boats – nine were procured from the U.S. through the early 1980s.
The La Tribune that Saudi Arabia could finalize a €250 million order for three Combattante FS56 fast attack craft (FAC) from the French shipbuilder CMN Group.
Saudi Arabia had originally negotiated for the FS56 with the intention of equipping the Lebanese Navy, but the aid program was scuttled amid a cool in bilateral relations between Beirut and Riyadh.
The FS56 has an overall length of 56 m. Built from a steel hull and aluminum superstructure, the FS56 can reach a top speed of 38 knots, and at 15 knots, it can reach a range of 2,500 nautical miles.
Its armament includes two quad-cells for anti-ship missiles (AShM), a main 76 mm or 57 mm gun and an air defence unit comprising of two pedestal-mounted surface-to-air missiles (SAM). It can also be armed with two remote-weapon-stations for cannons up to 30 mm.
In terms of electronics, the FS56 can be fitted with an air and surface surveillance radar, fire-control radar, integrated navigation system, integrated communication system and electronic support measures (ESM).
Besides guarding littoral waters, the FS56 can be deployed for policing exclusive economic zones, interdict maritime criminal activity – such as piracy and smuggling – and undertake intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance activities using its radar and ESM suite.
This order could be Riyadh’s sign of initiating its long-term naval modernization program. Currently, it has various letters-of-intent (LOI) for the potential purchase of naval warships from the U.S., Spain and Turkey.
It has yet to implement those orders, but they include big-ticket items such as the Lockheed Martin Multi-Mission Surface Combatant (MMSC), a development of the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS), Navantia Avante 2200 corvettes and the Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret AŞ (STM) MILGEM.
The FS56 could be a potential start to supplanting some of Saudi Arabia’s al-Sadiq-class patrol boats – nine were procured from the U.S. through the early 1980s.
Dizasta1
Senior Member
There goes the bragging rights and perfect record that an F-15 has NEVER been shot down by an opposing forces.
I believe the claim F-15s hold is to have never been shot down in "Air to Air Combat," for which the aircraft holds something like 105 kills to 0 losses. Having said that, one has to take into account that most western sources never really publish much of actual losses during war, and/or are left in "fine print" while using a bullhorn to highlight their victories.
One has to really dig deep to find actual sources of victories by opposing forces. I recall how I did an extensive read up on Vietnam War. Till I came to a conclusion, that there is little or no info about what the Vietnamese Air Force achieved against them. It's only when dug deeper, did I find that Vietnamese Air Force pilots performed very well, given that they were fighting against a superpower military. How the Vietnamese pilots targeted bombers rather than engaging USA fighters head-on.
In some instances the Vietnamese fighter pilots did achieve actual, real air to air victories against an adversary with far greater resources, manpower, training, military hardware and support infrastructure.
An aircraft is still an aircraft, which is animated by the pilot who flies it. So in the end it's the pilot's training, skill and tenacity which ultimately determines how an air force comes together to win fights.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Saudi pilots poor training
Flares, break the lock and turn hard
Seems as if all the Saudi pilot did was accelerate and flare hardly worth the effort
Saudi warship also has been hit out at sea
Again poor training many warnings missed
Put F15 up against Su35 or JF17 Block III with equal pilot training then let’s see record
Flying F15 against Mig21 even monkey can score 105-0
Flares, break the lock and turn hard
Seems as if all the Saudi pilot did was accelerate and flare hardly worth the effort
Saudi warship also has been hit out at sea
Again poor training many warnings missed
Put F15 up against Su35 or JF17 Block III with equal pilot training then let’s see record
Flying F15 against Mig21 even monkey can score 105-0
Equation
Lieutenant General
Yeah but a shot down is a shot down, regardless if it's from air to air or surface to air. How often are we going to see a real air to air combat today either from within or beyond visual range anywhere in the world?
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
yeah, nothing that's the record No Air to air kills by enemy forces Quote. Surface to Air is another matter altogether. And obviously more often then most think but less than Top gun.
Since 1990 around 95 Downed Aircraft (maybe more) in Air to Air incidents not just US but in general both In and beyond visual range and not counting non lethal Interdictions. The F15's record is not because It's not in the fights it's because It was in and came out the Champion. F15 have however been lost to Surface to Air kills. Some will claim "Oh but they hid the record or doctored it" but that claim can go both ways some of the supposed downings are easily double counting the same Aircraft that was damaged and landed intact especially in the Middle East. 104 to 0 and that doesn't count accidents.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
I think the claim is A2A and by an opposing pilot.There goes the bragging rights and perfect record that an F-15 has NEVER been shot down by an opposing forces.
While the end result is the same, the dynamics as you know is far different. Obviously any plane can be shot down no matter how good. A lucky rock thrown by a kid or bird can take down a jet down also nevermind an advanced SAM.