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I also noticed that the Saudis say they intercepted and shot down the missile
I am wondering what system they used to down it? The say Saudi air defense forces did it.
I am willing to bet that they used their Patriot Missile batteries to bring it down.
Another realt time, warfare test of the Atriot shooting down incoming ballistic missiles.
This US had deeloped sold and used several layers of its defense shield, ad has its allies.
AEGIS, Patriot, THAADS, and the BMD missiles the US had in California and Alaska have all demonstrated the capability of shooting down ballistic missiles. from short. to medium, to intercontinental range...though the BMD and AEGIS system has never been used in actual combat, they have been used in numerous tests against long range intercontinental missiles like North Korea would fire.
Patriot has been purhased by numerous countries, has has THAADs, in fact this year Sauid Arabia has agreed to but THAADs too, along with UAE, Omana, Korea, Jaban, potetnially Taiwan and others.
AEGIS at sea is ised by several nations too.
Of course the US has all of them.
I believe THAADs is on Wake ISland, Guam, the US West coast and elsewhere.
AEGIS ashore is going into eastern Europs and elsewhere, and I believe will become anothjer popular US sytem for its allies.
Between Patriot, THAADS and AEGIS, any country has a credible mulit=layered ballistic defense shield that has been proven to work. THAADS has had 17 sucessful intercepts of ballistic missiles tests since 2005.
PAtriot has had a similar record...and Suadi Arabia has apparently now used it at least once (and I believe several times) in atual combat.
Not first time Patriots used
They have MIM-104C (PAC-2) in fact now MIM-104D (PAC-2/GEM) and PAC-3 or for soon not sure delivered.
The first are ABM capable but limited but have an advantage over PAC-3 very compact and possible 4 in a tube longer range 160 km ( aircrafts ofc ) so in Batteries they are mixed by ex Japanese have 3 PAC-2 and 2 PAC-3 in a Battery Royal Saudi Air Defense Forces 9 TELs others countries 6 - 8 TELs
PAC-3 ABM range 20 km new PAC-3 MSE 35 km
Possible upgraded the PAC-2 launcher for host PAC-3/MIM-104F missiles Saudis do it.
They have plans for THAAD the deal is not signed for 44 launchers !
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UAE ORDERS TWO DCNS GOWIND 2500 CORVETTES
According to French President Emmanuel Macron (, ), the United Arab Emirates (UAE) has signed a purchase for two Gowind 2500 corvettes from the French shipbuilder DCNS. UAE also has the option to acquire an additional two vessels.
Notes & Comments:
This would be DCNS’ third order for the Gowind-series, following (four Gowind 2500) and (up to six Gowind 2500-based Littoral Combat Ship). Displacing around 2,500 tons, the Gowind 2500-series is a multi-mission platform capable of anti-ship warfare (AShW), anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and short-to-medium-range anti-air warfare (AAW) operations.
The mainstay of the UAE Navy’s fleet currently comprises of six Baynunah-class corvettes, a sub-1,000-ton ship designed by the CMN Group in France. The Baynunah-class is a multi-mission platform, it is equipped with one 76-mm main gun, two 27-mm guns, two quad-cell MBDA Exocet MM40 Block-III anti-ship missile (AShM), one Mk49 mod-3 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) point-defence missile system and four dual-cell RIM-162C Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) for AAW.
The inclusion of the Gowind 2500 would amount to a potent hi/lo combination with the Baynunah-class, itself a relatively potent and well-armed vessel. The technical details of UAE’s Gowind order are not yet known, but it could mirror the Baynunah program by equipping the Gowind 2500s with both MBDA and Raytheon munitions, specifically the Exocet MM40 Block-III AShM and RIM-162C ESSM, respectively. The UAE Navy had already spent in the logistics and training cost of each, it would make sense to expand that to include the Gowind 2500 (resulting in a common munitions inventory).
For littoral defence the UAE Navy also has four Falaj 2 fast attack crafts (FAC) on order. Designed by the Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri, the Falaj 2 displaces 520 tons and is armed with two dual-cell MBDA Exocet MM40 Block-III AShM and two-triple VLS cells for MBDA MICA-VL SAMs.
According to French President Emmanuel Macron (, ), the United Arab Emirates (UAE) has signed a purchase for two Gowind 2500 corvettes from the French shipbuilder DCNS. UAE also has the option to acquire an additional two vessels.
Notes & Comments:
This would be DCNS’ third order for the Gowind-series, following (four Gowind 2500) and (up to six Gowind 2500-based Littoral Combat Ship). Displacing around 2,500 tons, the Gowind 2500-series is a multi-mission platform capable of anti-ship warfare (AShW), anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and short-to-medium-range anti-air warfare (AAW) operations.
The mainstay of the UAE Navy’s fleet currently comprises of six Baynunah-class corvettes, a sub-1,000-ton ship designed by the CMN Group in France. The Baynunah-class is a multi-mission platform, it is equipped with one 76-mm main gun, two 27-mm guns, two quad-cell MBDA Exocet MM40 Block-III anti-ship missile (AShM), one Mk49 mod-3 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) point-defence missile system and four dual-cell RIM-162C Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) for AAW.
The inclusion of the Gowind 2500 would amount to a potent hi/lo combination with the Baynunah-class, itself a relatively potent and well-armed vessel. The technical details of UAE’s Gowind order are not yet known, but it could mirror the Baynunah program by equipping the Gowind 2500s with both MBDA and Raytheon munitions, specifically the Exocet MM40 Block-III AShM and RIM-162C ESSM, respectively. The UAE Navy had already spent in the logistics and training cost of each, it would make sense to expand that to include the Gowind 2500 (resulting in a common munitions inventory).
For littoral defence the UAE Navy also has four Falaj 2 fast attack crafts (FAC) on order. Designed by the Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri, the Falaj 2 displaces 520 tons and is armed with two dual-cell MBDA Exocet MM40 Block-III AShM and two-triple VLS cells for MBDA MICA-VL SAMs.
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related (F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread Saturday at 4:01 PM):
as UAE undertakes air force restructuring plan
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"... cooperation started with partners building a common picture from multiple air- and sea-based sensors, information which was transferred in sufficient time for Saudi Arabia’s ground-based Patriot system to intercept the threat."
according to 5th fleet commander: intel-sharing clear barrier to military cooperation
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UAE SEEKING F-35, ALSO SIGNS FOR F-16 UPGRADES AND IN TALKS FOR SU-35
The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has signed a $1.6 billion U.S. order for upgrades for its fleet of Lockheed Martin F-16E/F Block-60 fighters. Specifics regarding the contract, which was signed at the on the opening day of the 2017 Dubai Air Show, were not provided.
The provision of the AN/APG-83 AESA radar is the marquee feature of the F-16V upgrade, but the UAE’s F-16E/F Block-60 already utilizes an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar in the AN/APG-80. It is possible that the UAE upgrade will primarily focus on avionics and the human-machine-interface (HMI).
Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin had also that the UAE was in talks with Russia for an unspecified number of Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E multi-role fighters from United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). The Russian side hopes to finalize a contract before the end of 2017.
Abu Dhabi’s long-term aspirations involve inducting a 5th-generation fighter. Defense News that the UAE was seeking 24 Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II fighters.
The Deputy Commander of the UAE Air Force, Brig. Gen. Rashed M. Al-Shamsi stated, “equipping the Air Force requires connected multi-role platforms with the ability to share data, enhanced intelligence collection and distribution of the capabilities … [with] a timely and reactive dynamic targeting process.”
In February, the UAE and Russia’s UAC had agreed to a lightweight next-generation fighter. At the time, Russia’s Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov , “We’ve signed an agreement on industrial cooperation in the field of military engineering. This will enable us to push ahead with the fifth-generation-jet project, in which the UAE will participate.”
The status of this joint-program is unclear, especially in light of the UAE’s interest in the F-35 Lightning II, but Abu Dhabi appears to be engaging Moscow with the aim of strengthening its own aviation industry. At the Dubai Air Show, the two sides began preliminary talks on co-producing the Irkut MC 21-400 civil airliner and to pitch the MC 21-400 to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) market.
Notes & Comments:
Two aspects to the UAE’s long-term force development plans appear to be (1) imbuing its forces with qualitative improvements and new combat capabilities, as indicated in the UAE Air Force’s Deputy Commander’s statement and (2) undertaking aviation production work in the UAE. However, it is unclear to what extent the two aspects are inter-connected.
For example, while the UAE is interested in co-producing and marketing the Irkut MC 21-400 to the MENA market, UAE-based airlines – such as Emirates, Etihad Airways and others – are primarily users of Boeing and Airbus airliners. Likewise, it is unclear where the joint fighter project UAC or even the potential Su-35 purchase would stand in the UAE’s wider modernization programs, which still appear to be geared towards premium U.S. and European solutions.
The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has signed a $1.6 billion U.S. order for upgrades for its fleet of Lockheed Martin F-16E/F Block-60 fighters. Specifics regarding the contract, which was signed at the on the opening day of the 2017 Dubai Air Show, were not provided.
The provision of the AN/APG-83 AESA radar is the marquee feature of the F-16V upgrade, but the UAE’s F-16E/F Block-60 already utilizes an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar in the AN/APG-80. It is possible that the UAE upgrade will primarily focus on avionics and the human-machine-interface (HMI).
Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin had also that the UAE was in talks with Russia for an unspecified number of Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E multi-role fighters from United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). The Russian side hopes to finalize a contract before the end of 2017.
Abu Dhabi’s long-term aspirations involve inducting a 5th-generation fighter. Defense News that the UAE was seeking 24 Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II fighters.
The Deputy Commander of the UAE Air Force, Brig. Gen. Rashed M. Al-Shamsi stated, “equipping the Air Force requires connected multi-role platforms with the ability to share data, enhanced intelligence collection and distribution of the capabilities … [with] a timely and reactive dynamic targeting process.”
In February, the UAE and Russia’s UAC had agreed to a lightweight next-generation fighter. At the time, Russia’s Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov , “We’ve signed an agreement on industrial cooperation in the field of military engineering. This will enable us to push ahead with the fifth-generation-jet project, in which the UAE will participate.”
The status of this joint-program is unclear, especially in light of the UAE’s interest in the F-35 Lightning II, but Abu Dhabi appears to be engaging Moscow with the aim of strengthening its own aviation industry. At the Dubai Air Show, the two sides began preliminary talks on co-producing the Irkut MC 21-400 civil airliner and to pitch the MC 21-400 to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) market.
Notes & Comments:
Two aspects to the UAE’s long-term force development plans appear to be (1) imbuing its forces with qualitative improvements and new combat capabilities, as indicated in the UAE Air Force’s Deputy Commander’s statement and (2) undertaking aviation production work in the UAE. However, it is unclear to what extent the two aspects are inter-connected.
For example, while the UAE is interested in co-producing and marketing the Irkut MC 21-400 to the MENA market, UAE-based airlines – such as Emirates, Etihad Airways and others – are primarily users of Boeing and Airbus airliners. Likewise, it is unclear where the joint fighter project UAC or even the potential Su-35 purchase would stand in the UAE’s wider modernization programs, which still appear to be geared towards premium U.S. and European solutions.