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Dizasta1

Senior Member
Let's be honest much of the recent Egyptian navy purchases are in part offset by Saudi money

1 because Egypt support Saudi on Yemen
2 because they handed islands to Saudi

Will Egypt be able to mount a true amphibious operation far from home shores ?

No not even in 10 years time

Will Turkey? Defiantly yes

Egypt is trying to stay relevant in the Middle East and playing catch up while the rest of the "Sheikhdoms" splurge billions on western hardware. Turkey too isn't any different, every "old guard" nation is trying to hold sway in the Middle East. The end is near for these puppet shiekhdoms, the Middle East knows it, the West knows it, heck even the royals know it themselves. Which why they are stockpiling expensive western hardware worth in the billions. Egypt is just a pawn in this game, being part of the "Saudi" coalition which has devastated Yemen, killing tens of thousands of innocent Yemenis.

As for Turkey having Amphibious capability. It remains to be seen, since they have an ongoing armament program for its Navy. Looking at Turkey's Navy, I can say right off the bat that it is not capable of holding operations or projecting power beyond its shores. The only thing Turkish Navy is good for and would be utilized by NATO is to block off the Bosphorus to Russia. Other than that, it's doubtful that the Turkish Navy would really turn into a Blue Water Navy.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Yes I understand what your saying but Turkey has proved it decades ago during invasion of Cyprus 1974

Eastern Mediterranean will be Turkeys playground come 2025
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
Yes, you have made a valid point with Cyprus. Turkey did demostrate it's ability to do so. But that was back then, in today's rapidly changing environment. I would wager that Turkey would be too reoccupied with their "Kurdish" issue. Even if the Turkish Navy would have high aspirations. It remains to be seen, whether their Navy manages sway the budget in its direction in order to build it's Navy capable of large naval amphibious assaults.
 

timepass

Brigadier
EGYPT REPORTEDLY MULLING OPTIONAL RAFALE AND GOWIND 2500 PURCHASES

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Egypt is reportedly interested in exercising its optional clauses for 12 additional Dassault Rafale multi-role fighters and two DCNS Gowind 2500 corvettes from France.

The French language newspaper La Tribune
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that Cairo is seeking additional credit to finance the sales, though it is unclear if France will be as forthcoming on providing it as it had been in 2015, when it sold the Rafale, Gowind 2500, a FREMM frigate and Mistral landing helicopter docks (LHD) to Egypt. Egyptian President Abdul Fattah el-Sissi is expected to raise the issue on his official visit to Egypt this week.

Egypt currently has 24 Rafale fighters and four Gowind 2500 corvettes on order.

The Egyptian Air Force received its latest Rafale batch in July, totaling 11 aircraft in service. The Egyptian Navy’s Alexandria base received the service’s first Gowind 2500 corvette – the Elfateh – this month. The FREMM frigate and two Mistral LHDs were delivered in 2016.

Besides seeing Egypt exercise options from the 2015 contract, the French defence – specifically Airbus – is interested in selling to Cairo A400M air-lifters and 36 NH90 helicopters, of which 24 would be land-use Tactical Troop Transports (TTH) and 12 NATO Frigate Helicopter (NFH) for maritime operations.

Notes & Comments:

These prospective sales, especially with the optional fighters and corvettes in place, would amount to a new set of multi-billion-dollar deals. In 2015, the French industry had extended loans covering 60% of the cumulative value of arms sales to Egypt at the time (with the remaining 40% paid upfront by Egypt from its national funds). These loans were underwritten by the French government.

It is not clear if France will extend fresh loans for new purchases. Local and international media have also
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the French government for not substantively engaging Egypt on its human rights issues, but the French government generally abstains from publicly chiding other states on such matters.

Moreover, France’s sales in Egypt have largely been focused on the transfer of conventional arms meant for deterring other states. While the Rafale could be deployed for counterinsurgency (COIN) operations, the Egyptian Air Force has ample numbers of F-16s and, in time, MiG-29M/M2 for those roles. Egypt also has a burgeoning attack helicopter fleet in the form of Boeing AH-64Ds and Kamov Ka-52s.

It does not seem that Paris is exercising foreign relations leverage with Cairo over these sales, which would suggest that the aim of these defence contracts is primarily economic. In fact, Egypt was the first overseas customer of the Rafale, which then bridged sales to Qatar and India.

The Airbus Helicopters NH90 and Airbus Defence & Space (DS) A400M have yet to gain traction outside of NATO and U.S. defence partners (e.g. New Zealand). The Middle East is a perennially lucrative market for defence vendors. Thus, it is plausible that the French industry views Egypt as both a large long-term market and as a gateway to other regional powers, especially in the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). This may sway Paris to continue supporting the industry by securing large loans to Cairo.

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Skywatcher

Captain
Let's be honest much of the recent Egyptian navy purchases are in part offset by Saudi money

1 because Egypt support Saudi on Yemen
2 because they handed islands to Saudi

Will Egypt be able to mount a true amphibious operation far from home shores ?

No not even in 10 years time

Will Turkey? Defiantly yes

On the other hand, those naval purchases, like the Mistral, weren't too expensive.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
F-16AM/BM MLU

Jordan takes delivery of ex-Dutch F-16s

The first six of 15 F-16 multirole fighters that the Netherlands has sold to Jordan were flown out of Volkel Air Base by Jordanian pilots for their new home at Al-Azraq Air Base on 25 October, the Dutch Ministry of Defence announced on the following day.
One of the six F-16s – now with Jordanian markings – is seen leaving Volkel Air Base for Jordan. (Netherlands Ministry of Defence)

It said the aircraft had undergone software changes to meet the Royal Jordanian Air Force’s requirements and the remaining aircraft will be transferred in the coming weeks.
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first 6 (former) RNAF F16 AM-BM.jpg first 6 (former) RNAF F16 AM-BM   - 2.jpg
 

Jeff Head

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They sure are scared of those Kurds...aren't they?

They know they are good fighters and they fear that if the Iraqi Kurds ever got independence, that the Kurds in Iran and Turkey would want to cut chunks out of those countries to add to a greater overall Kurdistan...and the ones in Syria too.

And, I have to say that it is a valid concern.

Those people want to be together. As with the soviets, and as with the league of nations before, when you politically slice and dice cultures and peoples that have historically been together, you see that even after a hundred or more years, the desire for them to be back together remains strong.

I would personally like to see a Kurdistan nation. I believe such a nation would be a strong and loyal ally to the US.

At the same time,without direct US intervention, I do not see it happening because Iran and Turkey will never allow it...even though it would mean the end of all of the conflict they continuously have internally by not letting it happen.

Turkey and Iran could minimize the amount of land they would give up by being open to the creation of a Kurdistan state.

But they are simply not going to do it...and I do not believe the US would fight against Turkey to force it.

Turkey is, after all, a part of NATO, and keeping them in that position is more strategically important to the US. It is just the way things are.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
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They know they are good fighters and they fear that if the Iraqi Kurds ever got independence, that the Kurds in Iran and Turkey would want to cut chunks out of those countries to add to a greater overall Kurdistan...and the ones in Syria too..
Internal divisions between the Kurds of the I think would mean not a Overall Kurdistan but 3 of them. The Iranian Kurds the Iraqi Kurds the Turkish Kurds and the Syrian Kurds divided between the factions.
 
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Those people want to be together. As with the soviets, and as with the league of nations before, when you politically slice and dice cultures and peoples that have historically been together, you see that even after a hundred or more years, the desire for them to be back together remains strong.
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As with Western colonial powers.
 
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