Pentagon accuses Chinese vessels of harassing U.S. ship

Asymptote

Banned Idiot
March 9th, 2009
Pentagon accuses Chinese vessels of harassing U.S. ship
Posted: 10:59 AM ET

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Pentagon said Monday that Chinese ships harassed a U.S. surveillance ship on Sunday in the South China Sea in the latest of several instances of “increasingly aggressive conduct.”

During the incident, five Chinese vessels “shadowed and aggressively maneuvered in dangerously close proximity to USNS Impeccable, in an apparent coordinated effort to harass the U.S. ocean surveillance ship while it was conducting routine operations in international waters,” the Pentagon said in a written statement.

The crew members aboard the vessels, two of which were within 50 feet, waved Chinese flags and told the U.S. ship to leave the area, the statement said.

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It seems pretty strange every time a new president come into office they would run into trouble with China.... this is reminiscent of the 2001 "Hainan Island incident" which involved a P-3 Orion and a J-8.


Before commenting on this, one must understand what this ship does :


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USNS Impeccable (T-AGOS-23) is an Impeccable-class ocean surveillance ship acquired by the U.S. Navy in 2001 and assigned to the Navy’s Special Missions Program.

Mission
The mission of Impeccable is to directly support the Navy by using both passive and active low frequency sonar arrays to detect and track undersea threats.




T-AGOS 23 Impeccable
Swath-L (Large) Ocean Surveillance Ship


The mission of the T-AGOS 23 Class ships is to collect, process, and transmit acoustic data in support of the Integrated Undersea Surveillance System (IUSS) mission requirements. The ship will be operated by the Military Sealift Command (MSC) utilizing both civilian and naval personnel to carry out its mission. In short, this vessel is used by the military to track submarines, and is the quietest vessel the government operates, outside of submarines themselves. The unique hull form is one of the most impressive features of this massive 281-foot vessel.

Surveillance ships serve as a stable platform to gather underwater acoustical data. IMPECCABLE was specifically designed to deploy two underwater listening devices called surveillance towed-array sensor system (SURTASS) used to augment the Navy's antisubmarine warfare capability. The SURTASS mission is to gather ocean acoustical data and, through electronic equipment onboard, process and provide rapid transmission of antisubmarine warfare information via satellite to shore stations for evaluation and analysis.

The keel for the first Impeccable class was laid down Feb. 2, 1993. Ship was more than 60 percent completed when the shipyard encountered difficulties. The contract was sublet to Halter Marine in Pascagoula, MS on April 20, 1995 to complete the ship, with a planned christening date of early 1999.

On 01 November 2000 Friede Goldman Halter, Inc. announced the christening of the USNS Impeccable (T-AGOS 23) at their Pascagoula, MS yard. The remaining four ships of the program (AGOS 24-27) will not be constructed. The Government made the USNS IMPECCABLE (T-AGOS-23) available for repairs from 27 August 2001 through 26 September 2001. The Government projected that it would take 12 consecutive days to complete the Drydocking repairs. The ship is homeported at Saint Helena's Annex, Virginia.

The Small Waterplane Twin-Hull-Active (SWATH-A) T-AGOS is the third generation of T-AGOS. Originally designed as a multi-purpose hull configuration, only the SURTASS application has been implemented. This ship is 281 feet in length, has a beam of 95.9 feet, displaces 5,370 long tons, and is capable of sustaining speeds up to 12 knots.

Built on a small water plane area twin hull design for greater stability at slow speeds in high latitudes under adverse weather conditions, Impeccable class ships have a hull form based on that of Victorious. IMPECCABLE is larger and faster then her predecessors, VICTORIOUS Class ships. This vessel is a larger version of the SWATH-P (T-19 Class) ships with 47 extra feet in length and almost 2000 tons greater displacement. The ship is powered by a larger diesel electric propulsion system that generates 5000 shaft horsepower. The larger hull design provides the same stable, hospitable environment as the smaller SWATH-P platforms with the additional space, displacement and power needed to accommodate not only the passive acoustic system, but also Low Frequency Active sonar. The ship is crewed by approximately 20 civilian mariners, 10 technicians, and up to 20 Navy personnel. T-23's larger dimensions are necessary to provide accommodations for the 43 man crew, made up of a mix of military operators, MSC crewmen and O&M technicians.

The T-23 Class will be equipped with a vertical line active transmit array, a multi-frequency horizontal receiver array and a real-time processing and analysis suite to accomplish both the active and passive surveillance missions for which it was designed. In addition to primary acoustic mission equipment, T-23 is also outfitted with an extensive suite of navigation, communications, command and control and support equipment.

Acoustic systems include an active low frequency towed array, which has a series of modules each of which houses two high-powered active transducers. These can be used with either mono or bistatic receivers. Oceanographic and hydrographic surveys, underwater surveillance, acoustic research and submarine support are just a few of the services these ships support. The ships are operated and maintained by civilian contractors. The Surveillance Towed Array Sensor is a linear array deployed on a tow cable. Information from the array is relayed via WSC-6 (SHF) SATCOM link to the shore. These ships have the same WSC-6 communications, links and operating procedures as the Stalwart class. SURTASS patrols are 60 to 90 days in duration.

The Surveillance Towed Array Sensor System [SURTASS] Low Frequency Active (LFA) is the active adjunct to the towed array. LFA adds an active transmit array and handling system, power amplification and control systems, an active signal processing and display receive system, and an environmental analysis system to the SURTASS Upgrade. A prototype LFA system has been installed on a leased commercial vessel, Cory Chouest, and operated as an interim LFA asset pending delivery of T-AGOS-23 (SWATH-A), which will be equipped with LFA.

T-AGOS ships are operated by the Military Sealift Command and are under the administrative command of Commander, Undersea Surveillance. They are deployed under the Operational Control (OPCON) of the Theater ASW Commanders, CTF 84 and CTF 12. Civilian technicians who operate and maintain the mission equipment man the SURTASS Operations Center (SOC), the nerve center of the ship. When operating with tactical forces, military detachments are embarked for onboard analysis and direct reporting to fleet units. A SURTASS mission consists of 60 days on station while towing an array of hydrophones that collect acoustic data.






The subtext in this incident is that, the area in which China's SLBM ("boomers") is operating in, is the same area that this particular ship is in. The Impeccable is obviously on a "special mission" to search and "collect" the sonar signature of the latest Chinese subs (Type 093, Type 094), because the first of China’s new Jin-class (Type-094) SSBN was spotted in February 2008 at the relatively new base on Hainan Island, where a new submarine demagnetization facility has been constructed.



What's everyone's thought about this?



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joshuatree

Captain
I chalk it up as the usual cat and mouse game. Yes, the action of the Chinese is aggressive and harassing. And yes, the US ship may be in international waters 75 miles off Hainan. But the US ship is also an aggressor by actively snooping around.

To turn the tables, what would a US response be if a Chinese intelligence gathering ship was 75 miles off of Pearl Harbor or Norfolk?
 

Semi-Lobster

Junior Member
Here's a bitmore 'colourful' article on the same incident

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Pentagon: Chinese vessels harassed Navy ship
Obama administration officials cite days of 'increasingly aggressive' acts

WASHINGTON - The Defense Department charged Monday that five Chinese ships shadowed and maneuvered dangerously close to a U.S. Navy vessel in an apparent attempt to harass the American crew.

Obama administration defense officials said the incident Sunday followed several days of "increasingly aggressive" acts by Chinese ships in the region.

U.S. officials said a protest was to be delivered to Beijing's military attache at a Pentagon meeting Monday.

The USNS Impeccable sprayed one ship with water from fire hoses to force it away. Despite the force of the water, Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet, the department said.

"On March 8, 2009, five Chinese vessels shadowed and aggressively maneuvered in dangerously close proximity to USNS Impeccable, in an apparent coordinated effort to harass the U.S. ocean surveillance ship while it was conducting routine operations in international waters," the Pentagon statement said.

The Chinese ships included a Chinese Navy intelligence collection ship, a Bureau of Maritime Fisheries Patrol Vessel, a State Oceanographic Administration patrol vessel, and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers, officials said.

"The Chinese vessels surrounded USNS Impeccable, two of them closing to within 50 feet, waving Chinese flags and telling Impeccable to leave the area," defense officials said in the statement.

"Because the vessels' intentions were not known, Impeccable sprayed its fire hoses at one of the vessels in order to protect itself," the Defense statement said. "The Chinese crew members disrobed to their underwear and continued closing to within 25 feet."

Emergency stop
Impeccable crew radioed to tell the Chinese ships that it was leaving the area and requested a safe path to navigate, the Pentagon said.

But shortly afterward, two of the Chinese ships stopped directly ahead of the Impeccable, forcing it to an emergency stop in order to avoid collision because the Chinese had dropped pieces of wood in the water directly in front of Impeccable's path, the Pentagon said.

Defense officials said the incident took place in international waters in the South China Sea, about 75 miles south of Hainan Island.

"The unprofessional maneuvers by Chinese vessels violated the requirement under international law to operate with due regard for the rights and safety of other lawful users of the ocean," said Marine Maj. Stewart Upton, a Pentagon spokesman.

"We expect Chinese ships to act responsibly and refrain from provocative activities that could lead to miscalculation or a collision at sea, endangering vessels and the lives of U.S. and Chinese mariners," Upton added.

Military-to-military consultations resumed
The incident came just a week after China and the U.S. resumed military-to-military consultations following a five-month suspension over American arms sales to Taiwan.

It also comes as Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi is due in Washington this week to meet with U.S. officials.

And it brings to mind the first foreign policy crisis that former President George Bush suffered with Beijing shortly after he took office — China's forced landing of a spy plane and seizure of the crew in April of 2001.

The Pentagon said the incident came after several other incidents involving the Impeccable and another U.S. vessel Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday.

It described those as the following:
On Wednesday, a Chinese Bureau of Fisheries Patrol vessel used a high-intensity spotlight to illuminate the entire length of the ocean surveillance ship USNS Victorious several times as it was operating in the Yellow Sea, about 125 nautical miles from China's coast, the Pentagon said, adding that the Chinese ship Victorious' bow at a range of about 1400 yards in darkness without notice or warning. The next day, a Chinese Y-12 maritime surveillance aircraft conducted 12 fly-bys of Victorious at an altitude of about 400 feet and a range of 500 yards.
On Thursday, a Chinese frigate approached USNS Impeccable without warning and crossed its bow at a range of approximately 100 yards, the Pentagon said. This was followed less than two hours later by a Chinese Y-12 aircraft conducting 11 fly-bys of Impeccable at an altitude of 600 feet and a range from 100-300 feet. The frigate then crossed Impeccable's bow yet again, this time at a range of approximately 400-500 yards without rendering courtesy or notice of her intentions.
On Saturday, a Chinese intelligence collection ship challenged USNS Impeccable over bridge-to-bridge radio, calling her operations illegal and directing Impeccable to leave the area or "suffer the consequences."
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Well of course this is going to made into a big deal on the news unlike when back in the early 1990s the US Navy illegally boarded an unarmed Chinese civilian vessel suspected of shipping equipment to make chemical weapons to Iran and instead they only found farm tools. If roles were reversed we know the notion that it was an "unarmed" vessel would be irrelevant because it being military alone would be enough.

All we know this incident could've been engineered in order to create this exact situation for domestic and international political purposes.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
All we know this incident could've been engineered in order to create this exact situation for domestic and international political purposes.

Do you have any idea how long the US has been surveying the ocean with these ships? For decades. I was assigned to HSL-31 out of NAS North Island in the late 70s and we sent detachments to older version of these ships. Those ships were unarmed then and now. The only arms aboard small arms.

The accounts of the incident are interesting.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Exactly! And they've probably been shadowed and "harassed" by ships and never reported publicly before.

Interesting thought. That certainly could have occupied over the years. Reports could have been made but not released to the press. I know the detachments HSL-31 sent to those ships spent a lot of time goofing off and ferrying gear from ship to shore and vice versa.

Honestly A-Mace at sea all sorts of cat & mouse games are played.
 
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bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Interesting thought. That certainly could have occupied over the years. Reports could have been made but not released to the press. I know the detachments HSL-31 sent to those ships spent a lot of time goofing off and ferrying gear from ship to shore and vice versa.

Honestly A-Mace at sea all sorts of cat & mouse games are played.

Surveying the oceans make it sound like a normal and legitimate, but for what purpose? Identifying sonar signatures of opposition subs, makes it sound like fun n games of old. It would be interesting to find out on how long the US has been surveying around Hainan island. Just recently because of the sub base? or for yrs
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
They've been doing it probably non-stop since China turned communist. The EP-3 incident most likely is the same type of operation which was gathering as much intelligence on new Chinese naval assets.

Also they're making it sound like big Chinese naval ships were involved. Watching the news on TV, the anchors are being humored by the report that the US sailors tried to fend off a boat with water hoses where the driver just took off his clothes. Sounds like small speed boats. So unless they think the Chinese had high explosives packed on those boats, they not really the threat the report makes them out to be.
 

Rising China

Junior Member
:rofl:

The Title should have been "U.S. ship is harrassing Chinese vessels near Chinese military base on Hainan island". Did China send her ships to U.S. military base near U.S. waters to gather intelligence? NO.
 
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