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US suspends security assistance to Pakistan
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When U.S. President Donald Trump took the stage Aug. 21 to lay out his new strategy for Afghanistan, he made it clear that a key part of the policy will be pushing Pakistan to change its ways.

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WASHINGTON – The decision by the U.S. to suspend security assistance to Pakistan could have serious consequences for the American-led fight in Afghanistan, and potentially further strengthen ties between Islamabad and China.

State Department Spokeswoman Heather Nauert announced new restrictions on Thursday that cover security assistance above and beyond the $255 million for Pakistani purchases of American military equipment that the administration held up in August, but it was not immediately clear how much money and materiel was being withheld.

Nauert made clear the $255 million was still blocked. The new action targets payments of so-called Coalition Support Funds that the U.S. pays to Pakistan to reimburse it for its counterterrorism operations. Those funds are typically paid later in the year, and already require U.S. certification, so the effect of Thursday’s announcement was unclear.

The move comes days after President Donald Trump’s New Year’s Day tweet that accused Pakistan of playing U.S. leaders for “fools,” as well as a growing number of voices from the administration that have complained Pakistan is not doing enough to combat militants targeting U.S. personnel in neighboring Afghanistan.



On Monday, Trump said the U.S. had “foolishly” given Pakistan more than $33 billion in aid in the last 15 years and had gotten nothing in return but “lies & deceit.” He reiterated longstanding allegations that Pakistan gives “safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan.”


The big question facing the American effort in Afghanistan now becomes whether Pakistan retaliates by shutting down the supply lines for materiel into Afghanistan, known as the ground lines of communication, or GLOC.

Hours before the announcement, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis was asked if there were any signals from Pakistan that cutting the aid would result in the GLOC being closed, to which he responded, “we have had no indication of anything like that.”


But closing the GLOC remains a long-standing concern for the U.S. Those lines represent the cheapest way of getting supplies to U.S. forces in Afghanistan, something the Pentagon learned the hard way between Nov. 2011 and July 2012, when Pakistan shut the GLOC routes down following an incident where 24 Pakistani soldiers were killed by NATO forces along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.



Reporting in 2012 revealed that costs for getting needed supplies into Afghanistan went from $17 million a month to $104 million a month, a significant upcharge even by Pentagon budget standards. With significantly fewer troops in Afghanistan today than in 2012, the costs would not be quite so high, but could still hurt a Department of Defense that finds itself lacking budget stability.

Alice Hunt Friend, an Obama-era senior adviser to the deputy undersecretary of defense for strategy, plans and forces and country director for Pakistan, believes a GLOC shutdown may be coming.



“Closing the GLOCs is certainly in the Pakistani playbook and would not be a surprising move,” she said. “It would make sense for Pakistan to do something to make the administration reconsider Pakistan's utility to the U.S., and that's a direct way to do it.”

Another potential result of cutting off aid could be to drive Islamabad to strengthen its relations with China.

Pakistan has for years tried to counterbalance its alliance with the U.S. with one from China, including with its military relationships. Industrially, Pakistan has agreed to work with China to produce a new submarine fleet as well as working together to develop what in Pakistan is known as the JF-17 jet fighter. In addition, China has developed the Azmat-class missile boat for Pakistan, which will carry Chinese-built weapons.

Notably, a Pentagon report from last June concluded that China will seek to
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, which would represent only the second People’s Liberation Army military facility outside of China

Associated Press writers Josh Lederman and Zeke Miller contributed to this report.
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Dizasta1

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16 years of war, with over 100000 troops at one point in time, the largest economic and miltary power in the world and what has it got to show for its efforts?

Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones at others.

If America truly wants peace in Afghanistan, then it should do so by inviting Taliban to participate in elections and form a coalition government. Work with the Taliban in fighting and destroying Al-Qaeda (whose presence in Afghanistan is questionable to begin with).

I am a Pukhtun myself, my grandparents are from Qandhar and I family on both sides of the border. And I can tell you outright that Pukhtuns (including Taliban) recognize Al-Qaeda to be Saudi-Wahhabi-Salafi. In simple terms, the devil itself. Taliban, Pukhtuns in general would kill Wahhabi Al-Qaeda themselves (and have done so ever since they discovered the deceit of Al-Qaeda), than protect them.

If in 16 years Americans haven't figured that out, then they most likely have peanuts in their heads. In essence, Taliban hates Al-Qaeda even more than America does. The only question to ask is, whether America really does have the intent of winning this war against Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Pakistan should simply sign off from this bungled, nonsensical WoT. Having lost soldiers and citizens alike. It's economy shredded. It's time for this absurdity to end. If America really wanted to help Pakistan, than instead of "military aid" it would've signed up a energy deal. Pakistan has faced an acute shortage of energy for the past three decades. Instead, America chose not to do so. Clearly priorities are in the wrong order and so are the objectives.

Pakistan would do well to put an end to their participation in WoT and focus on the development of its economy. Time for change has come, and Pakistan ought to seizeit with both hands.
 

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Too little....too late....

Pakistan wont bother with this, as effectively Pakistan is already out of that scenario that these actions will bother. In fact US cant afford to lose Pakistan support in particular the supply line.

I believe majority of this forum members are well versed & aware about the reality, hence just ignore these news as this is nothing but dirty politics.
 

FORBIN

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16 years of war, with over 100000 troops at one point in time, the largest economic and miltary power in the world and what has it got to show for its efforts?

Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones at others.

If America truly wants peace in Afghanistan, then it should do so by inviting Taliban to participate in elections and form a coalition government. Work with the Taliban in fighting and destroying Al-Qaeda (whose presence in Afghanistan is questionable to begin with).

I am a Pukhtun myself, my grandparents are from Qandhar and I family on both sides of the border. And I can tell you outright that Pukhtuns (including Taliban) recognize Al-Qaeda to be Saudi-Wahhabi-Salafi. In simple terms, the devil itself. Taliban, Pukhtuns in general would kill Wahhabi Al-Qaeda themselves (and have done so ever since they discovered the deceit of Al-Qaeda), than protect them.

If in 16 years Americans haven't figured that out, then they most likely have peanuts in their heads. In essence, Taliban hates Al-Qaeda even more than America does. The only question to ask is, whether America really does have the intent of winning this war against Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Pakistan should simply sign off from this bungled, nonsensical WoT. Having lost soldiers and citizens alike. It's economy shredded. It's time for this absurdity to end. If America really wanted to help Pakistan, than instead of "military aid" it would've signed up a energy deal. Pakistan has faced an acute shortage of energy for the past three decades. Instead, America chose not to do so. Clearly priorities are in the wrong order and so are the objectives.

Pakistan would do well to put an end to their participation in WoT and focus on the development of its economy. Time for change has come, and Pakistan ought to seizeit with both hands.
Interesting Budd but Soviets with also 100000 troops have not done more and left in 1988 after 9 years...
 

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Thank you, Mr. Trump!
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Pakistan is ditching the dollar for trade with China — 24 hours after Trump denounced the country

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  • A day after President Donald Trump slammed Pakistan on Twitter, the South Asian nation announced it will replace the dollar with yuan for bilateral trade with Beijing
  • As U.S.-Pakistan relations grow increasingly strained, China has been pursuing closer links with the country
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Just 24 hours after President
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took aim at
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on Twitter, the South Asian nation already appears to be cozying up to the world's second-largest economy.

A day after the U.S. leader slammed Islamabad for harboring terrorists
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, Pakistan's central bank announced that it will be replacing the
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with the
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for bilateral trade and investment with Beijing.

The same day, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang defended Islamabad's counter-terrorism track record, saying the country "made great efforts and sacrifices for combating terrorism" and urged the international community to "fully recognize this."


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has been watching closely as U.S.-Pakistan relations become increasingly strained. Trump has long demanded the frontier economy to
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while he simultaneously
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"Pakistan and the U.S. have had a fraught relationship for years, but the big change recently has been China," said Simon Baptist, Asia regional director at the Economist Intelligence Unit. "China has really gone hard in cementing its existing relationship with Pakistan, it's really the only place that's seen significant investment under the Belt and Road initiative and China has been pushing for geopolitical advantage there."

Islamabad is home to one of Beijing's central infrastructure schemes, a near $60 billion collection of land and sea projects known
And with a steady stream of Chinese capital under its belt, Pakistan may no longer be receptive to American threats, the most recent of which involves Washington
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"Pakistan balks far less at reductions in American aid, which, as the former points out, has dwindled in recent years anyway. China, on the other hand, has promised Pakistan $57 billion in investments on infrastructure and energy under its Belt and Road Initiative," Madiha Afzal, a nonresident fellow at Brookings, said in a recent note. "All this means that America has far less leverage over Pakistan."

"The history of Pakistan's relationships with China and the United States also shows that Pakistan's policy does not respond to strong-handedness, but to loyalty, and to being treated with dignity," she continued.

For Beijing's part, a Monday editorial published by Chinese state-run news outlet Global Times said that "China and Pakistan enjoy an all-weather strategic partnership of cooperation, Beijing will without doubt not give up on Islamabad."

Regardless of
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— Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif recently dismissed Trump's outburst as a political stunt — the two nations are expected to continue cooperating this year.

Ultimately, Washington needs Pakistani cooperation to address its concerns about
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, Baptist said, adding that it remains to be seen if Trump's social media tirade will translate into real policy change.

 

Equation

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16 years of war, with over 100000 troops at one point in time, the largest economic and miltary power in the world and what has it got to show for its efforts?

Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones at others.

If America truly wants peace in Afghanistan, then it should do so by inviting Taliban to participate in elections and form a coalition government. Work with the Taliban in fighting and destroying Al-Qaeda (whose presence in Afghanistan is questionable to begin with).

Yeah right...good luck with that. It has been decades since the last time the US would even considered sit down with North Korea to discuss long term peace and finally end the war over the tensions in the Korean peninsula much less seeing the Taliban as an equal to even negotiate.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Taliban as an equal to even negotiate.
You would have to have atleast a cohesive taliban to talk to. Taliban is a catch all term. really it's all tribes or clans and who is loyal for the moment to whom. A tribe or clan here will be loyal to this group today but, the right slight or the right price and they will jump ship. The Aq groups who have been fighting and IS groups they are not some foreign fighters who moved in, They are Taliban who were slighted and jumped ship. The Afghan Government are also Taliban. The Pakistanis play Afghan Taliban against Pakistani Taliban.
 

Equation

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You would have to have atleast a cohesive taliban to talk to. Taliban is a catch all term. really it's all tribes or clans and who is loyal for the moment to whom. A tribe or clan here will be loyal to this group today but, the right slight or the right price and they will jump ship. The Aq groups who have been fighting and IS groups they are not some foreign fighters who moved in, They are Taliban who were slighted and jumped ship. The Afghan Government are also Taliban. The Pakistanis play Afghan Taliban against Pakistani Taliban.

Maybe they are and maybe they're not, but they are human after all. Therefore they can be talked to at first and go from there. The bottom line is that the US doesn't even want to make at least an effort or give peaceful negotiation a chance.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Maybe they are and maybe they're not, but they are human after all. Therefore they can be talked to at first and go from there. The bottom line is that the US doesn't even want to make at least an effort or give peaceful negotiation a chance.
Equation There is no cohesive "Taliban" Even if you talk to some "representatives" They might say one thing but most of the time they can't actually back there statements because, they have no actual power you would need to negotiate with every single village elder of the country.
 

Equation

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Equation There is no cohesive "Taliban" Even if you talk to some "representatives" They might say one thing but most of the time they can't actually back there statements because, they have no actual power you would need to negotiate with every single village elder of the country.
Say's who, those regime changing representative of peace?
 
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