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Dizasta1

Dizasta1

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timepass said:
Azerbaijan Air Force signs a sale contract for 10x units of Super Mushak primary flight training aircrafts from the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra.

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A welcome news for Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. The list of countries, operating the Super Mashaks is growing steadily with Turkey, Syria, Saudi, Qatar, Iraq, Iran, Nigeria, Oman and now Azerbaijan. The Super Mashaks primary trainer has been the most successful product of PAC and it continues to prosper.

In recent news, the JF-17 Thunders visited ADEX-2016 with great interest shown by the Azerbaijan Defense Minister. Awaiting some good on news on that front. JF-17 Thunders ought to look amazing in Azerbaijan colors!
 
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ahho

Junior Member
Dizasta1 said:
They were "pretty sure" of logistical spares supplies back in 1965. Having been embargoed in the middle of a war, speaks volumes of the sort of reliability there is. Fast forward to 1980s, "they" were pretty sure then as well, when they ordered and paid in full, for 28 F-16s. The total order was suppose to be for around 90 aircraft. Yet, despite all odds, "they" fell right back into that naive thinking. Warfare assets are meant for war, not sitting around collecting dust and becoming a liability just because they are sanctions/embargo prone by the supplier country, whenever they deem it politically suits them.

T-129s, if are planned to form the backbone of Pakistan Army Aviation, then this would be a bad decision on their part.
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I may have remember wrong, but wasn't the purchase of F-16 back then was military aid from the US to Pakistan? Weren't the sanctions were mostly imposed by US and maybe Europe

I can see Pakistan going down the Russia route on the Mistral. If Turkey have to enforce the sanctions and not sell the helicopter, they would be breaking a contract and have to pay back. Pakistan can then go to the next best thing. The only thing lost is time.
 
Dizasta1

Dizasta1

Senior Member
ahho said:
I may have remember wrong, but wasn't the purchase of F-16 back then was military aid from the US to Pakistan? Weren't the sanctions were mostly imposed by US and maybe Europe

I can see Pakistan going down the Russia route on the Mistral. If Turkey have to enforce the sanctions and not sell the helicopter, they would be breaking a contract and have to pay back. Pakistan can then go to the next best thing. The only thing lost is time.
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"Pakistan had already paid $685 million on the contract for the first 28 F-16s (11 Peace Gate III and 17 Peace Gate IV), and insisted on either having the planes it ordered delivered or getting its money back." (Source - F-16.net)

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As for going the Russia route, believe me when I say this, the only reason why Russia went for the Mistral was due Russia not having the capability of building large sized, like this Helicopter Carrier.

Being owed money or owing money isn't the same. If there are sanctions imposed, the client state would be at a greater loss. Since the military platforms it had ordered, weren't delivered and also, the money paid to manufacturer state is owed back. Both things take time and that time increases two folds or more when the client state has to start looking for and finalizing an alternative for the original platform.

So either way you look at it, a client state must choose the safest manufacturer state to deal with, it's a dance in the viper's pit and the best way to avoid the viper is by capturing it without entering the pit. A primary example of not trusting a manufacturer state is when it uses such deals to meet its political objectives. Like britain did to Argentina, when it's ships were being sunk left, right n center. Britain pressured France to block the supply of Exocet Missiles to Argentina. The same missiles that were wreaking havoc on the british navy. Had Argentina an alternative to the Exocet, it wouldn't have mattered whether France gave into britain's pressure.

People always tend to conveniently forget the lessons from history. Having said that, it's seldom that people even pick up history books to read what had happened and learn from it. You can change the beast's living space, diet and etc. But you can't change it's nature. Learn from the past to make prudent decisions in the present.
 
timepass

timepass

Brigadier
Pakistan Navy's 3rd Fast Attack Craft FAC PNS Himmat Commissioning Ceremony

An impressive yet simple Commissioning and Induction Ceremony of Fast Attack Craft (Missile) PNS HIMMAT built at KS&EW for Pakistan Navy, was held on Friday 28th July 2017. Admiral Muhammad Zakaullah NI(M), Chief of the Naval Staff, graced the occasion as Chief Guest. The ceremony was attended by high ranking officials from Government, Chinese Embassy, Pakistan Navy, China Shipbuilding & Offshore Company (CSOC) and distinguished guests from various walks of life.

PNS HIMMAT is a 63 meter long Fast Attack Craft fitted with state of the art Weapons and Sensors. One of the important achievements in this project is installation of indigenously built Missiles System. Craft is also fitted with various other weapons and sensors for manifestation of speed and lethality at par with modern navies arsenal.

The Chief Guest in his key note address mentioned that it is a landmark occasion when 2nd indigenously constructed Fast Attack Craft (Missile) is inducted in Pakistan Fleet. It will definitely further strengthen the Fleet and is a reminder of our resolve to safeguard national sea frontiers. He further iterated that Karachi Shipyard is a strategic and vital organization supporting Pakistan Navy in building new ships and major repairs essentially required during the life cycle of the sea-going platforms. He also iterated that construction of various Naval platforms such as PN Fleet Tanker, F-22P Frigate, Fast Attack Craft (Missile), Small Tanker cum Utility Ships, and Tugs etc at Karachi Shipyard is in line with our indigenization policy for attaining self reliance in shipbuilding.

He reiterated the need of transfer of technology in maritime sector and praised the role of MoDP in facilitating and meeting PN needs through indigenization and capacity building. He categorically mentioned that the trust and confidence posed by PN on indigenously built platforms under ToT will also provide impetus to Pakistan defence exports.

While highlighting the significant of China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the CNS highlighted the need for expeditious development of associated maritime infrastructure. He expressed that CPEC will bring prosperity not only in Pakistan and China but for all regional countries. The obvious need of secure maritime environment was highlighted and Pakistan Navy’s commitment to achieve important objective was reiterated. Induction of another Fast Attack Craft (Missile) today was cited as yet another step in enhancing the maritime security.

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Equation

Equation

Lieutenant General
timepass said:
Either is type of wall doesn't matter, what matter is the will behind that wall.....
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True, but in the US case who's gonna man that wall? Border patrols can hire enough people to do it other wise it would bankrupt them. Using the Army or Army Reserve could also be costly, so the only alternative is vigilantes?o_O
 
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