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timepass said:

Z10 flying by PAF pilot

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I have yet to understand Pakistan's decision on signing on the Turkish T-129 helos. In my view the Z-10 helicopter gunship is a much better option for Pakistan Army Aviation. Quality and capability wise, the Z-10 is a much better choice, and the it's "Ace Card" is that its Chinese, not European. One would've thought that after suffering a multitude of western sanctions, that Pakistan would've lived by the rule "never again" (set in stone). So a decision to go for T-129s, which are essentially A-129 Mangustas, is beyond comprehension. Pakistan is not Turkey, we are not part of some NATO alliance that we can afford to put all our eggs in one basket like Turkey has. Unlike the western countries, China doesn't "dangle" the carrot before it's ally.

JF-17 Thunders are the perfect example of how Pakistan ought to posture itself going into the future.

Dizasta1 said:

I have yet to understand Pakistan's decision on signing on the Turkish T-129 helos. In my view the Z-10 helicopter gunship is a much better option for Pakistan Army Aviation. Quality and capability wise, the Z-10 is a much better choice, and the it's "Ace Card" is that its Chinese, not European. One would've thought that after suffering a multitude of western sanctions, that Pakistan would've lived by the rule "never again" (set in stone). So a decision to go for T-129s, which are essentially A-129 Mangustas, is beyond comprehension. Pakistan is not Turkey, we are not part of some NATO alliance that we can afford to put all our eggs in one basket like Turkey has. Unlike the western countries, China doesn't "dangle" the carrot before it's ally.

JF-17 Thunders are the perfect example of how Pakistan ought to posture itself going into the future.

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Sanctions is one thing to consider, but the other is what technology is offered by the T-129. The Mangustas is a more matured platform and engines. When you can afford to buy a "better" option and it is still open for sale, I don't see the issue of not getting it. I am pretty sure that spare parts would be included in the deal in case of sanctions, so that they can keep operating it for a while.

OT: If Pakistan got the T-129, maybe the Chinese can take a look at the engine to see what concept the west is employing on their engines

Dizasta1 said:

I have yet to understand Pakistan's decision on signing on the Turkish T-129 helos. In my view the Z-10 helicopter gunship is a much better option for Pakistan Army Aviation. Quality and capability wise, the Z-10 is a much better choice, and the it's "Ace Card" is that its Chinese, not European. One would've thought that after suffering a multitude of western sanctions, that Pakistan would've lived by the rule "never again" (set in stone). So a decision to go for T-129s, which are essentially A-129 Mangustas, is beyond comprehension. Pakistan is not Turkey, we are not part of some NATO alliance that we can afford to put all our eggs in one basket like Turkey has. Unlike the western countries, China doesn't "dangle" the carrot before it's ally.

JF-17 Thunders are the perfect example of how Pakistan ought to posture itself going into the future.

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I quite agree with you...

The recent Gunship acquisitions are bit confusing & may create maintenance/logistical nightmare ... Mi 35's, Super Cobra's, T129s, Z10s...

ahho said:

Sanctions is one thing to consider, but the other is what technology is offered by the T-129. The Mangustas is a more matured platform and engines. When you can afford to buy a "better" option and it is still open for sale, I don't see the issue of not getting it. I am pretty sure that spare parts would be included in the deal in case of sanctions, so that they can keep operating it for a while.

OT: If Pakistan got the T-129, maybe the Chinese can take a look at the engine to see what concept the west is employing on their engines

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They were "pretty sure" of logistical spares supplies back in 1965. Having been embargoed in the middle of a war, speaks volumes of the sort of reliability there is. Fast forward to 1980s, "they" were pretty sure then as well, when they ordered and paid in full, for 28 F-16s. The total order was suppose to be for around 90 aircraft. Yet, despite all odds, "they" fell right back into that naive thinking. Warfare assets are meant for war, not sitting around collecting dust and becoming a liability just because they are sanctions/embargo prone by the supplier country, whenever they deem it politically suits them.

T-129s, if are planned to form the backbone of Pakistan Army Aviation, then this would be a bad decision on their part.

PAKISTAN SEEKING GUIDED MULTIPLE-LAUNCH ROCKET SYSTEMS (MLRS)



Roketsan TR-122 and T-122 Sakarya multiple rocket launcher system.


In a section of its , the Pakistan Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) outlined the development and/or procurement of “extended range guided MLRS [multiple launch rocket systems].” The previous year also listed in the continued production and development of MLRS technology.

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MLRS comprise of two main elements: rocket munitions and a self-propelled platform to carry and launch those rockets. Generally, rocket artillery provides several advantages over howitzer shells, such as longer range and heavier warheads. Many armies relied on the combination of mobility and numbers to deploy MLRS as fast-moving saturation attack assets.

Pakistan’s mainstay MLRS is the Kahuta Research Laboratories KRL-122. In recent years, the system was fit with the Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) rocket. As per POF, the Yarmuk has a range of 20 km, though Global Industrial & Defence Solutions (GIDS) lists an with a range of 45 km. This is at-par with most overseas solutions, such as the .

Based on the MoDP’s disclosure, Pakistan will be working to fit the Yarmuk-series of rockets with guidance systems and improve its accuracy. Currently, the Yarmuk has an accuracy of at least 80 m circular error probable (CEP), which is variable based on the launch elevation. On the other hand, the satellite-guided (INS/GPS) variant of the Roketsan TR-122 – i.e. – has a CEP of less than 30 m CEP.

Pakistan could emulate this model, though it will require modifying the Yarmuk to utilize a satellite-aided INS guidance suite and electro-mechanically actuated aerodynamic surfaces to achieve higher accuracy.

Roketsan marketed the TRG-122 to Pakistan in November at IDEAS, Pakistan’s biennial defence exhibition. Roketsan also revealed that Pakistan was also looking at 300 mm guided rockets (for which the Turkish company is offered its TRG-300). China’s NORINCO will likely be a leading contender for Pakistan’s rocket artillery requirements as well. According to , the NORINCO SR5 comprises of the 122 mm INS/GPS-guided BRE1, which has a range and accuracy of 40 km and 25 m CEP, respectively.

The pursuit of guided MLRS could also be a sign of the Pakistan Army increasing its reliance on network-enabled warfare. Efficient use of guided MLRS requires the artillery Fire Direction Centre (FDC) to have precise target location data, which could be had using forward observers or even intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR)-enabled assets, such as helicopters, drones and armoured vehicles.

Source: Quwa

timepass said:

Scared of Pakistani Ababeel missile which can drop 3-4 nuclear bombs on 3-4 different targets, India starts investing in Missile defense system.

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How many of these Ababeel missiles with MIRV is Pakistan plan to produce?

Equation said:

How many of these Ababeel missiles with MIRV is Pakistan plan to produce?

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No info on that....

It's a strategic weapon, numbers would remain unknown for obvious reasons.

Azerbaijan Air Force signs a sale contract for 10x units of Super Mushak primary flight training aircrafts from the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra.