Pakistan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Z 10 and Z 9 (if i heard the commentator correctly) were part of the fly past.
Ali Khan
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Ali Khan
Junior Member
Z9 ASW fleet is operated by Navy..
Z-10s no confirmation.. 3 in Pak for evaluation.. I guess they did induct them otherwise they wouldn't be part of the fly past.
Thanks for the clarification
Ali Khan
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You are very welcome.
Your post clear.
But the main problem Pakistan don' t have a sufficient budget for buy all in big qty about 7 bill $ and a big Army, AF to financed 600000 pers. ... !
And even 8 Yuan is a big effort what price eventually ? 200/300 mill $ by SSK as Kilo about ?
Better for this matter on Pakistan thread
Yes, Sipri confirm now
But S-20 also good as Yuan ?
The details surrounding Pakistan's submarine purchase from China aren't clear. For one thing, the Financial Times claimed the deal was set at $4-5bn U.S.
I understand a surcharge for financing, but that was quite high. I personally felt it was a naval package, one that could include frigates and/or FAC on top of the submarines. That wasn't the case. The Pakistani Minister of Defence said the acquisition involved S20 submarines, but the Minister of Defence Production declined to offer specifics.
So here's my theory.
The Pakistan Navy is acquiring customized S20s. I can't speak to whether the above would constitute the $500mn+ unit cost, but I think the following could necessitate the higher cost.
First, the "APR" on whatever long-term financing agreement Pakistan was able to get from China. This is not a bad thing, Pakistan's not an economic miracle at the moment, and it doesn't seem to have any guarantors in the Gulf to back its contracts. Thankfully, China was willing to give us the benefit, so I think it is fine that we compensate them for the trust.
Second, the possibility of sourcing third party electronics and sonar, potentially from Turkey, Italy, etc. I expect we'll see a mix of subsystems on this front.
Third, torpedo tube modifications. We want to build out our assured second-strike capability, I expect there's going to be some work to ensure we have tubes that are large enough to carry the Babur LACM.
Fourth, the AIP. I'm not even sure what's happening here. I know the S20 was being marketed without AIP, requiring the customer to buy them seperately. Now, does this mean that Pakistan could buy them separately from China? Or does Pakistan have to buy them from a third party? If Pakistan has to source them from the West, then the cost differential makes a lot of sense.
I understand a surcharge for financing, but that was quite high. I personally felt it was a naval package, one that could include frigates and/or FAC on top of the submarines. That wasn't the case. The Pakistani Minister of Defence said the acquisition involved S20 submarines, but the Minister of Defence Production declined to offer specifics.
So here's my theory.
The Pakistan Navy is acquiring customized S20s. I can't speak to whether the above would constitute the $500mn+ unit cost, but I think the following could necessitate the higher cost.
First, the "APR" on whatever long-term financing agreement Pakistan was able to get from China. This is not a bad thing, Pakistan's not an economic miracle at the moment, and it doesn't seem to have any guarantors in the Gulf to back its contracts. Thankfully, China was willing to give us the benefit, so I think it is fine that we compensate them for the trust.
Second, the possibility of sourcing third party electronics and sonar, potentially from Turkey, Italy, etc. I expect we'll see a mix of subsystems on this front.
Third, torpedo tube modifications. We want to build out our assured second-strike capability, I expect there's going to be some work to ensure we have tubes that are large enough to carry the Babur LACM.
Fourth, the AIP. I'm not even sure what's happening here. I know the S20 was being marketed without AIP, requiring the customer to buy them seperately. Now, does this mean that Pakistan could buy them separately from China? Or does Pakistan have to buy them from a third party? If Pakistan has to source them from the West, then the cost differential makes a lot of sense.
timepass
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A GIANT LEAP TOWARDS SELF-RELIANCE -- LAUNCHING OF 17000 TONS FLEET TANKER FOR PAKISTAN NAVY AT KS&EW
A 17000 tons Fleet Tanker for Pakistan Navy was launched today in an impressive ceremony held at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering works (KS&EW). Prime Minister of Pakistan, Mr. Mohammad Nawaz Sharif graced the occasion as Chief Guest. Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Mohammad Zakaullah NI(M) and Under Secretary for Defence Industries of Turkey Prof Dr Ismaeel Demir were also present during the ceremony.
The contract of Fleet Tanker was signed under the auspices of Ministry of Defence Production and the ship is being constructed at KS&EW, in collaboration with Turkish Ship building firm M/s Savunma Teknologiler Muhendisilik (STM). The ship is capable of independently operating at sea for upto 3 months. The double hull tanker is compliant with latest International Maritime Organization (IMO) and marine Pollution (MARPOL) regulations. It will provide logistics support to Pakistan Navy units at sea through transfer of liquid and dry cargo and is also capable of undertaking combat support operation through embarked helicopters. The ship is also equipped with modern medical facilities to support Pakistan Navy Fleet units, both during war and disaster relief operations.
On the occasion, the honorable Chief Guest congratulated Karachi Shipyard, Pakistan Navy and Ministry of Defence Production for launching the ship 2 months ahead of the schedule. He said that this initiative will certainly open more opportunities for further collaboration between Pakistan and Turkey in the field of indigenous warship construction in particular, and other defense sector products in general. He reiterated that Pakistan and Turkey are time tested friends and PN Fleet Tanker will always be remembered as a ‘beacon of Pakistan-Turkey friendship’. It will play a vital role towards achievement of self-reliance in defence production, and the government will continue to support the policy of indigenization in all technological spheres.
He further said that ongoing development programs of the Government of Pakistan including China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) stipulate our aim to achieve maximum output in terms of regional trade and trans-shipment with Gwadar as the focal point. He appreciated the workforce and management of Karachi Shipyard, which has constantly performed and transformed KS&EW into a profitable and viable organization. ‘It is a success story in public sector which should be emulated by other similar organizations’, He said.
Earlier, MD KS&EW Rear Admiral Syed Hasan Nasir Shah during his welcome address said that this Fleet Tanker is the biggest warship ever built in Pakistan. He said that KS&EW has successfully constructed number of warships for Pakistan Navy in the past and it is fully geared-up to undertake more challenging projects with earnest zeal and energy. Pakistan Navy has reposed its confidence in KS&EW by awarding mega order for construction of 4 submarines at KS&EW in collaboration with China. He also said that KS&EW is also undertaking installation of 8,000 tons Ship Lift & Transfer System, which will not only enhance KS&EW’s combined capacity of shipbuilding and repairs, but will also significantly increase our revenue generation and creation of more jobs.
A 17000 tons Fleet Tanker for Pakistan Navy was launched today in an impressive ceremony held at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering works (KS&EW). Prime Minister of Pakistan, Mr. Mohammad Nawaz Sharif graced the occasion as Chief Guest. Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Mohammad Zakaullah NI(M) and Under Secretary for Defence Industries of Turkey Prof Dr Ismaeel Demir were also present during the ceremony.
The contract of Fleet Tanker was signed under the auspices of Ministry of Defence Production and the ship is being constructed at KS&EW, in collaboration with Turkish Ship building firm M/s Savunma Teknologiler Muhendisilik (STM). The ship is capable of independently operating at sea for upto 3 months. The double hull tanker is compliant with latest International Maritime Organization (IMO) and marine Pollution (MARPOL) regulations. It will provide logistics support to Pakistan Navy units at sea through transfer of liquid and dry cargo and is also capable of undertaking combat support operation through embarked helicopters. The ship is also equipped with modern medical facilities to support Pakistan Navy Fleet units, both during war and disaster relief operations.
On the occasion, the honorable Chief Guest congratulated Karachi Shipyard, Pakistan Navy and Ministry of Defence Production for launching the ship 2 months ahead of the schedule. He said that this initiative will certainly open more opportunities for further collaboration between Pakistan and Turkey in the field of indigenous warship construction in particular, and other defense sector products in general. He reiterated that Pakistan and Turkey are time tested friends and PN Fleet Tanker will always be remembered as a ‘beacon of Pakistan-Turkey friendship’. It will play a vital role towards achievement of self-reliance in defence production, and the government will continue to support the policy of indigenization in all technological spheres.
He further said that ongoing development programs of the Government of Pakistan including China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) stipulate our aim to achieve maximum output in terms of regional trade and trans-shipment with Gwadar as the focal point. He appreciated the workforce and management of Karachi Shipyard, which has constantly performed and transformed KS&EW into a profitable and viable organization. ‘It is a success story in public sector which should be emulated by other similar organizations’, He said.
Earlier, MD KS&EW Rear Admiral Syed Hasan Nasir Shah during his welcome address said that this Fleet Tanker is the biggest warship ever built in Pakistan. He said that KS&EW has successfully constructed number of warships for Pakistan Navy in the past and it is fully geared-up to undertake more challenging projects with earnest zeal and energy. Pakistan Navy has reposed its confidence in KS&EW by awarding mega order for construction of 4 submarines at KS&EW in collaboration with China. He also said that KS&EW is also undertaking installation of 8,000 tons Ship Lift & Transfer System, which will not only enhance KS&EW’s combined capacity of shipbuilding and repairs, but will also significantly increase our revenue generation and creation of more jobs.
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