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Jeff Head

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Pakistan already have home made drones, they dont need to buy...

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Uh...I believe what you are showing are actually Chinese designs that are being license built in Pakistan.

So they are buying Chinese drones. And given the relationship between the two countries...it is not surprising in the least.
 
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FORBIN

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Masroor/ Karachi air base

The PAF’s Masroor air base in Sindh province is presently home to No.2 ‘Minhas’ Squadron flying F-7P Airguard L-MRCAs (which in future will convert to the FC-1/JF-17 Thunder L-MRCAs), No.4 Squadron with four four ZDK-03 Karakoram Eagle KE-3 AEW& CS platforms, No.7 ‘Bandits’ Squadron with upgraded Mirage-3EA/Mirage-3DP MRCAs, No.8 ‘Haiders’ Squadron with Mirage-5PA maritime strike aircraft (to be replaced in the near future by up to eight FC-1/JF-17 Thunders armed with CM-802A and CM-400AKG anti-ship cruise missiles), and No.22 ‘Ghazis’ Squadron with Mirage-3D/E MRCAs.

With daddies and rookies :)
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FORBIN

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New JF-17 Block 2 delivered now 16, total 65 JF-17 in 3 Sqns and a OCU.

Delivered to 2nd Sqn to Masroor/Karachi full now F-7P replaced.

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) on Monday rolled out the 16th Block 2 JF-17 aircraft and formally handed it over to the Pakistan Air force (PAF), marking the completion of four squadrons.

Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman attended the ceremony, with Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain attending as the chief guest.
Hussain reaffirmed Pakistan's commitment towards promoting self-reliance in defence production and thanked the government of China for its unrelenting support.

"I appreciate the vital role played by our time-tested Chinese friends for the success of the JF-17 program. Their support of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra and so many other projects is cherished and highly valued by every Pakistani," Hussain said.

The Chief of Air Staff expressed his satisfaction with the progress of the JF-17 programme.
He praised the professional competence and commitment displayed by PAC personnel in meeting the milestones of the JF-17 programme and urged them to continue their best efforts in pursuit of excellence.

PAC Kamra is responsible for the maintenance of all PAF operational assets.
In 2010, the Chief of the Air Staff at the time, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman had said the aircraft would be the mainstay of PAF's operations, multiply its operational capacity and enable it to conduct day and night multi-role operations which had become imperative in the prevailing global and regional situation.

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F-16 sale to Pakistan stalled as US lawmakers raise queries about their end use
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(From IANS)

The US Congress has stalled a planned sale of eight new F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan, the Pakistani media reported on Tuesday.

The move reflects the growing anti-Pakistan sentiments on Capitol Hill, Dawn quoted unnamed Congressional and diplomatic sources as saying.

Lawmakers used clarification and information notices to delay the sale, the report said.

The administration also received a “hold” notice from the Senate, using this legislative process to delay floor action on the proposed sale to Pakistan.

But this does not kill the proposed sale, and it can still go through if the administration continues to push for it, Dawn added.

The Obama administration is reported to be keen on selling these aircraft to Pakistan.

At recent Congressional hearings, key US lawmakers raised a host of questions about the end use of the F-16 aircraft and about US relationship with Pakistan.

“I don’t know how an F-16, with all of its hardware on there for combat, can be used for humanitarian aid. If they were buying C-130s Â… I could see those being used for humanitarian aid. But F-16! It’s not really humanitarian aid,” said Congressman Ted Poe.

“Those F-16s and the military equipment that we are providing Pakistan are being used against their own people, just like they did against the people over there in Bangladesh,” added Congressman Dan Rohrabacher.

Dawn said both lawmakers belong to a growing lobby in Congress which not only oppose arms sales to Pakistan but often urge the US administration to sever its ties with Islamabad.

The Obama administration had informally notified Congress of its intention to sell eight F-16s to Pakistan during Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s visit to Washington in October last year.

The administration followed it up with a formal notification of “foreign military financing” to fund the sale in December.
 

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March 10, 2016, 03:17 pm
Senate kills Rand Paul's attempted block on aircraft sale to Pakistan


By Jordain Carney

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The Senate killed an attempt by Sen.
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(R-Ky.) Thursday to block a sale of military aircraft to Pakistan.

Senators voted 71-24 to table the Kentucky Republican's attempt to bring the resolution to the Senate floor, effectively pigeonholing the measure and guaranteeing the sale will go forward.

Paul suggested ahead of the vote that Americans couldn't afford to be sending the jets to Pakistan, which he called a "frenemy."

"We've got a lot of things going on in our country that need to be taken care of, and we don't have enough money to be sending it to Pakistan," he said on the Senate floor. "I can't in good conscience look away as American crumbles at home and politicians tax us to send the money to corrupt and duplicitous regimes abroad."

Paul wanted to use an overlooked provision in the Arms Export Control Act to force a vote and block the sale of F-16 aircrafts to Pakistan. The move required him to give the Foreign Relations Committee 10 days to take up his resolution before he could try to bring it to the Senate floor.

But Sens.
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(R-Tenn.) and
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(D-Md.), the committee's top members, urged lawmakers to vote against Paul's resolution, suggesting that the U.S. government can use the sale to influence Pakistan.

"It maintains our leverage with Pakistan over the long haul. That's what us selling them these pieces of equipment do," Corker said, noting that the jets will require 30 years of maintenance.

He added that despite "some of the rhetoric," Thurday's vote "has nothing to do with the potential subsidy that could take place by U.S. taxpayers."

Cardin told reporters during a roundtable Wednesday that, separately, there has been a request from the administration to move around funds to use some taxpayer money to cover the sale, but Congress hasn't made a decision yet.

"That will require our approval and we have not yet taken that up," he added, while saying that Paul's resolution would get "uniform opposition" from leadership.

Paul, however, was able to get bipartisan support for his push to stop the sale.

Sen.
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(D-Conn.) said Congress has "got to get back in the game" of providing oversight to arms sales, while suggesting that there are other ways to influence the sale of military equipment short of a blanket block.

"I hope that Sen. Paul and others as we start to go about doing due diligence of future sales will take a look at maybe a more meaningful contribution that this body can take rather than expressing our outright unconditional disapproval," he said.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
10 more under discussion to make the original 18

That means PAF will eventually fulfil the 18 + 18 = 36 aircraft deal

Majority of senator voted for the deal opposition is small vast majority are for F16 to Pakistan

If it changes then Pakistan has right to withdraw from US policy in the region which will effect US interests

With vipers coming to Pakistan the standard of military equipment is top notch from US
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
10 more under discussion to make the original 18

That means PAF will eventually fulfil the 18 + 18 = 36 aircraft deal

Majority of senator voted for the deal opposition is small vast majority are for F16 to Pakistan

If it changes then Pakistan has right to withdraw from US policy in the region which will effect US interests

With vipers coming to Pakistan the standard of military equipment is top notch from US

Indian lodge a full scale protest and summoned the US ambassador multiple times. I can understand Like you said once everything is said and done, PAF may have 36 Blk 52 Vipers with enhanced engines and HOBS missile capabilities.

In WVR engagement that would indeed be a top notch weapon system and extremely lethal under a skilled pilot. I am assuming PAF is assigning their top drivers for these new birds.
 

Brumby

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Additional F-16s for Pakistan May Hit Hurdles

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ISLAMABAD — Additional F-16s from the US remain central to Pakistan’s modernization efforts, but analysts say since there could be hurdles ahead, surplus fighters may be a credible alternative.

News reports here citing senior officials have stated that the air force requires some 190 new aircraft to replace its legacy Mirage III/5 and Chengdu F-7 fighter fleets by 2020. Some of this figure will be made up of JF-17 Thunder Block III aircraft which air force officials have stated will feature a leap in capabilities over the current aircraft in service.

However, there is no expectation that current JF-17 production will be ramped up in either Pakistan or China — or perhaps both — to meet this need, and further F-16s are being sought, hence the recent deal for eight F-16 Block 52 fighters.

This deal is almost finalized, and Pakistan appears to be placing faith in Lockheed Martin’s need to keep the F-16 line running with new orders to help it acquire another ten F-16s that it had initially hoped to acquire with the recently cleared aircraft.

Claude Rakisits, senior fellow at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service and an expert on Pakistani affairs, is optimistic.

“Given that the Obama administration recently managed to have Congress approve the sale of eight F-16s to Pakistan, logically the sale of an additional 10 F-16s shouldn't be a real issue for Congress,” he said. “Also, given the constructive nature of the ministerial-level US-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue, which was held in Washington recently, objective indications are that convincing Congress should not be too difficult.”

However, the recent admission by Pakistan’s adviser to the prime minister on foreign affairs, Sartaj Aziz, at a meeting hosted by the Council on Foreign Relations that Pakistan had provided “various degrees of support to the Taliban since 2001” may prove counterproductive.

“While everyone in Washington suspected that was the case, the fact that Aziz admitted this quite casually and publicly as if there was nothing to it may well have damaged Pakistan's chances of getting those additional fighter jets,” Rakisits said. “Wavering US senators may not be so keen to sell such sophisticated hardware to a country which has openly admitted providing assistance and refuge to the Taliban despite denying doing so since 2001. So in light of Sartaj Aziz's admission, Pakistan may well have to look elsewhere to modernize its air force.”

Pakistani officials have noted French and Russian aircraft as alternatives, though the former are admitted by them to be expensive, and little appears to have come of reported talks for Russia’s Su-35 Flanker.

Rakisits also cites China as an alternative source.

Pakistan had planned to acquire an advanced variant of the Chengdu J-10 Firebird, but this plan appears to have been ditched. Pakistan has subsequently been linked to the stealthy Shenyang J-31/F-60, but there is no official confirmation of plans.

Given it is still in development, the J-31 is not applicable to the current time frame requirement.

Analyst, author and former air force pilot Kaiser Tufail said Pakistan does not have many options.

“There has been talk of 10 more F-16C/D-52 to add to the eight approved a few days ago. That should complete one more squadron of this latest version," he said. "We have the infrastructure to simply add aircraft into the system, something that would not be so easily doable in case of Russian or Chinese systems.

“Switching to a small number of Russian and Chinese aircraft would not be a good idea from the point of view of maintainability, as it would entail major investments in new back shops, test benches and many more maintenance facilities.”

Even though Pakistan’s economy is recovering from economic mayhem wrought by the previous government and its foreign currency reserves are approaching $20 billion, such an investment is unrealistic.

Tufail, however, said there is still a credible alternative to additional F-16s.

“Surplus F-16A/B-MLU from European countries are the best option, and other than range, they do not differ majorly from the Blk-52s. I think they will serve our requirements very well, particularly as we have big numbers to fill in,” he said.

Pakistan hopes to maintain a combat force of 350-400 aircraft, and the F-16 clearly plays a large role in this endeavor even though up to 250 may eventually be JF-17 variants. In this regard, Tufail said Washington is in a very advantageous position vis-à-vis its relationship with Islamabad.

“The fact that the Americans can use the F-16s and such hardware for political leverage must not be lost on us, unless we are ready for a complete break. That would be suicidal, as much of the high-tech element of the [Pakistan Air Force] is sourced from the USA,” he said.

Nevertheless, he remains optimistic.

“The danger of sanctions is and has always been there, but things do not seem that bad as far as [Pakistan]-US relations are concerned.”

Rakistis, however, said despite Washington’s clearly advantageous position, the spoiling party may not be Pakistan, but Congress, which could start flexing its muscles over the additional 10 F-16s.

“One shouldn't forget that while the sale of the eight F-16s has pretty much been finalized, it's not as if it was plain sailing getting it through Congress. This additional request may be going a bridge too far for some senators, especially in this highly charged election year,” he said.
 
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