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gelgoog said:

KAAN is supposed to use the same engines in the F-15. It is a much larger aircraft.
Assuming the US lets them have the engines that is. Knowing US politics, Israel will find a way to prevent Turkey from having this aircraft.

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KAAN is pipe dream as of now. May be in 10 years time something concrete may emerge.... Secondly, suitable indeginous engines neither availble nor will be available soon... US engines availability also a pipe dream... So KAAN is RIP atleast for 10 years...

Only sensible option for Pakistan is Chinese origin fifth gen...

Hi,
can someone confirm about KAAN engine swap with Chinese engine, in case USA
ban engine technology likewise ATAK129, when Turkey about to export these to Pakistan
though USA is happy with Turks to export these to Philippines and another African country
probably Somalia & if engine swap is possible what kind of Chinese engine KAAN can
possibly be workable
thank you

defenceman said:

Hi,
can someone confirm about KAAN engine swap with Chinese engine, in case USA
ban engine technology likewise ATAK129, when Turkey about to export these to Pakistan
though USA is happy with Turks to export these to Philippines and another African country
probably Somalia & if engine swap is possible what kind of Chinese engine KAAN can
possibly be workable
thank you

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Makes zero sense. Why would Chinese provide their engine to a NATO Country and cannibalize J35 sales?

neutralobserver said:

Makes zero sense. Why would Chinese provide their engine to a NATO Country and cannibalize J35 sales?

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Hi,
I think you haven’t understand my post if wasn’t meant for NATO, if we go by the logic of NATO Turkey alreday have S400 either in storage or operational it’s meant for PAF in case I said beside I’m talking about around 2030 onward by the time PAF already be getting im not saying 40 or more but probably around the same like J10s at the moment, another factor is if these KAAN been supplied to KSA & UAE( if ).china can market their product with this
thank you

defenceman said:

Hi,
I think you haven’t understand my post if wasn’t meant for NATO, if we go by the logic of NATO Turkey alreday have S400 either in storage or operational it’s meant for PAF in case I said beside I’m talking about around 2030 onward by the time PAF already be getting im not saying 40 or more but probably around the same like J10s at the moment, another factor is if these KAAN been supplied to KSA & UAE( if ).china can market their product with this
thank you

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Why would PAF go through the trouble of paying for integration of a third party engine (and that's a BIG IF because under no circumstances do i see China supplying it as it would cannibalize their own sales) when it can directly buy J35 from China? KAAN is just some fanboys dream for PAF. J35 has everything that we need in a 5th generation fighter. What additional advantages would KAAN bring on the table for PAF? As you can see, PAF entire leadership has clearly indicated the J35 is going to be the 5th Generation Fighter for Pakistani Air Force. It's a much better option for us anyways and I think we cannot afford two different types of 5th generation fighter jets anyways.

I think what Pakistan needs is a cheap single engine stealth aircraft. They should develop that as a replacement for JF-17.

That together with the J-35 would make for a high low combo.

gelgoog said:

I think what Pakistan needs is a cheap single engine stealth aircraft. They should develop that as a replacement for JF-17.

That together with the J-35 would make for a high low combo.

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Single engine and internal weapons bay don’t go well together.

vincent said:

Single engine and internal weapons bay don’t go well together.

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I think CCA drones would serve as a good complement to 5th-generation jets, especially within a high-low mix strategy (PAF has always relied on high-low mix strategy).

vincent said:

Single engine and internal weapons bay don’t go well together.

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As F35 demonstrates.

Not to mention the F-35 uses the world's highest thrust in-service military turbofan. Even with that level of engine, it barely has half the A2A magazine depth of larger twin engined fighters like F-22 and J-20.

The KAAN is a nice project for Turkey. PAF will not have the funds for both. KAAN is nowhere near operational status as fast as that program has been. Even when it reaches operational status, in what numbers? What sort of production rates are they going to achieve. What sort of compromises if any will they require to achieve a certain price point and production rate? I am going to go out and assume that I trust Turkish capabilities in achieving all the nitty gritty "invisible" capabilities with their vast engineering and scientific talent. When completed the KAAN becomes every bit as good as other 5th gens but more modern than F-22 and early J-20 models. Now it's 2030s. 6th gen production floors are pumping in China and J-35 production has peaked long ago to the rate of at least 100 per year.

The KAAN will be many times the price due to scale alone. It is a very similar size and applying the same F-22 Lockmart design as the other export alternatives. It is slightly larger than the Chinese alternative but will be using RR/PW/GE engines. Look to India on their experience on the F414 engine for Tejas. Turkey has much more animosity coming from the West and Israel than India. What chance does KAAN have in fulfilling any anti-western or anti-Israel posture? Zero. They will dangle engine deals so that you don't start/work on your domestic programs. At the end of the day when it comes to delivering the engines, they will not.