That is on the Naval side, and currently PN is also evaluating Augusta options; however, no decision has been made yet.
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Think PAF is trying to hedge her bets with regards to weapons systems and suppliers. Sweden is a NATO member now and they can be pressurised more effectively now.
As far as helos are concerned, I hope we're looking towards stuff like T-929 and Z-21. Z-10s are good for COIN but they can't do heavy attack helo stuff. I'm foaming at the mouth for Pakistan to do her version of Task Force Normandy from Gulf War and deep strike S400s with attack helos going in low and fast
Don’t be misled, this is merely narrative management, largely hollow rhetoric and superficial posturing by what is essentially a proxy setup operating under the PML-N banner.
I didn't interpret you like that all, friend!
A few KJ-500s, 40 J-35s and some HQ-19s aren't going to be enough for Pakistan or anyone else to invade India.
Not to say Pakistan is free from sin, but Islamabad definitely stands to benefit from additional deterrence against New Delhi, especially if Beijing wants to discourage Indian misadventurism in Balochistan and elsewhere intended to threaten CPEC.
Sounds like neither of us are too sure if and to what extent Beijing might subsidize upcoming acquisitions of Chinese arms by Islamabad, but there might be no alternative but to up Pakistan's credit line, at a minimum, if such a qualitative edge is to be extended to a generation, and is to remain sustainable.
Not to denigrate our Pakistani friends: their military definitely punches above its weight, but ultimately Pakistan's population and economy is a fraction of that of India's, and deterrence requires resources.
A bit doubtful that Chinese officials, especially Chinese diplomats at the UN, would be genuinely bothered by General Bajwa glowing on The Beltway as the article claims.
The Pakistani military establishment has been milking DC since at least the 1980s when the US was arming the Haqqanis and their then allies, and then again from 2001 until 2021 when the the US was fighting the Haqqanis and their subsequent allies.
The Chinese should know that there isn't much that the current military leadership in Pakistan can do to actually win over DC when much of the current leadership at the Pentagon blames America's inelegant exit from Kabul in 2021 on Pakistani support for the Quetta Shura.
Are you implying that Islamabad has asked or is asking Beijing to sell it the DF-100 or something along those lines to rival, if not exceed the Brahmos that New Delhi constantly touts?
Pakistan should have the technology to build all sorts of reasonably capable conventional ballistic missiles, but the problem is going to be manufacturing enough of them. India's military doesn't exactly maintain a limited footprint.
Are you sure that's comparable?
India launched dozens of cruise missiles at multiple Pakistani population centers less than a month ago, never mind their strikes against even more Pakistani military targets.
Perhaps some people would consider that kind of approximate to the "poop balloons" North Korea deployed against South Korea last year . . .
Pakistan is too big of a country with too small of a defense budget to be able to afford the HQ-19 at scale anytime soon.
If Beijing is willing to be kind, Pakistan might get a HQ-19 battery for Islamabad and Rawalpindi, maybe even a second battery for Karachi or somewhere else if Beijing is feeling especially generous.
However, that much HQ-19 coverage isn't going to fundamentally alter the nuclear balance between Pakistan and India.
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I agree, the website is politically biased in that sense because it's associated with ex-PTI folks (the party which was removed by the military) so it will greatly exaggerate that aspect, but if you extract the raw information there are still some things to take away — bias aside.
Over here it claims "Though a classified internal Pakistani intelligence assessment judges China to be a more “natural strategic ally” than the U.S., with whom Pakistan is deemed to share limited interests..."
And despite allegedly being willing to provide a military naval base in Gwadar city (claimed in the article), you can notice later on that there is reluctance to fully go through with it partly because of potential backlash from the US in terms of sanctions and other means: "In return, Pakistan asked for a major upgrade in economic and military assistance from Beijing in order to insulate Islamabad from the fierce reaction from the U.S. such a deal is expected to provoke."
Not necessarily the DF-100 specifically, but something like that yeah. Maybe a YJ-12 derivative or YJ-18. Something land-optimised for deep strike.
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A land attack version of the YJ-18 for deep strikes would be awesome. I've been thinking about something like that since this whole incident.
Then what's the real narrative here?
Not looking to argue about or even interested in domestic Pakistani politics, but genuinely curious about how Pakistan funds certain Chinese defense imports.
The article was reasonably well written and carried an air of legitimacy or at least professionalism, so wouldn't be surprised if the authors had some access to or familiarity with internal reporting from within the Pakistani gov't.
Disinformation intended to mislead somewhat more sophisticated, or at least relatively educated audiences are usually embedded within or at least delivered with uncontroversial slivers of truths.
Doesn't Pakistan already operate the YJ-12?
The YJ-18 is subsonic until the terminal phase, and optimized against moving targets, specifically ships.
What do you guys consider "deep strikes" and what kind of Indian targets would such a "deep strike" capability be intended to degrade or destroy?
What’s the likelihood that the HQ-19 sale is somehow related to Iran? Perhaps we should look at this from the other direction
Please refer to my post in the J10 thread, post #8032/43 for a clearer understanding of the fiscal sources and budget-related matters.
J-10 Thread IV
PAF still loves F-16 and wants to upgrade Block 52s, although not used on 7th May. US still doesn't allow export of the T129 (engines). I don't see the US selling upgrade kits to Pakistan. The most they'll get from the US is a greenlight for the Özgür upgrade.
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J-10 Thread IV
Another reason I want more countries to buy J-10s is that they can apply much more interesting livery on the jets, unlike the dull looking PLAAFs. I mean just look at PAF j-10, it's so much better My reason is more selfish — I want cash flow to war profiteers who “combat proof” their weapons on...
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This was just a "what if" from me. Pakistan does operate the YJ-12 but only the Pakistan Navy has it. At least in my understanding, ground launched versions of these missiles can serve as analogues to India's Brahmos. A missile coming in at M 3-4ish would be a challenge to shoot down and a missile hugging the terrain, popping up and yeeting itself it M 3.0 would be an even more difficult target to counter.
In my mind I was thinking of using them at major Indian installations such as their S400s, air bases, naval bases, C2 targets, HQs, oil depots, power plants and such. Key strategic targets for which we do not need to send our boys in on jets. A few concentrated volleys of these and hopefully Pakistan has a better shot at operating jets inside India.
I felt that we were found to be quite lacking in our deep strike capability within India. The damage they did to our bases, while not crippling was still representative of the things that they could do. YJ-12 and YJ-18 could give Pakistan capability to inflict damage deep within India at same if not better scale.