The first foreign buyer of the J-10A will be Pakistan, a source from the Chinese aviation industry said. In March, Pakistan’s Air Chief Marshall Tanvir MehmoodAhmed confirmed that a deal with China had been reached, and the aircraft would be delivered in 2014 and 2015. The version for Pakistan will be called the FC-20. UPI Asia. (Andrei Chang is editor-in-chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto, Canada. John Wu is a reporter for the same magazine.):china:
PAF should have bought J-10 instead of JF-17?
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The first foreign buyer of the J-10A will be Pakistan, a source from the Chinese aviation industry said. In March, Pakistan’s Air Chief Marshall Tanvir MehmoodAhmed confirmed that a deal with China had been reached, and the aircraft would be delivered in 2014 and 2015. The version for Pakistan will be called the FC-20. UPI Asia. (Andrei Chang is editor-in-chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto, Canada. John Wu is a reporter for the same magazine.):china:
I mean was it a cutting edge plane if placed in the world arena? For China not to sell it?
Ofcourse I know its a great achievement by aviation industry in China.
The deal have been signed with Pakistan! Try to search on the internet, its everywhere. How do you say its not for sale?
»Ø¸´: PAF should have bought J-10 instead of JF-17?
Well i'm sure when Pakistan buys J-10 it will be a big help to their airforce to help deal with the Indians and their superb Su 30 MKI, but, the JF-17 is a big step up for Pakistanis to help replace their outdated planes and a boost to their economy by giving them knowlede about how to build and design fighter planes, hats off to them for the effort.
Well i'm sure when Pakistan buys J-10 it will be a big help to their airforce to help deal with the Indians and their superb Su 30 MKI, but, the JF-17 is a big step up for Pakistanis to help replace their outdated planes and a boost to their economy by giving them knowlede about how to build and design fighter planes, hats off to them for the effort.
First of the PAF designation for J-10 is FC-20 & the specifications told about it by no other then PAF Cief himself are much more advanced then the current configuration the operational J-10s have as this aircraft is going to come around 2014-2015 in PAF service, enough time of about 5 years to upgrade the J-10 to a true 4.5th gen capability.
" ACM Qamar said the PAF has finalised the technical proposal for the FC-20 and informed the Chinese of its requirements."[The technical proposal] is more or less finalised now. There are some changes that are required, which [the Chinese] are making," he said.
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The next stage of the contract will involve financial negotiations between China and Pakistan. ACM Qamar believes that, following the signing of a contract, it will take two to two-and-a-half years before the first FC-20 aircraft is received"
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And the reason for PAF to go for JF-17 is it needs to have medium tech & high tech combination as no air force in the world is fully equipped with high tech planes only, these is always a combination of medium-high tech aircrafts & PAF main focus is IAF as an adversary, we have to counter them. Plus, the true capability of JF-17 in terms of its fighting potential is still not revealed & it has much much room for further improvements & upgrades. Western Avionics are still on the table for it & engine change a possibility too. JF-17 has a very promising potential to become a true high tech aircraft in future.
PAF & China are not stupids to have gone with JF-17 when J-10 was around, there must be some reason to it, which the people at PAF & China understand better then all of us over here speculating.
" ACM Qamar said the PAF has finalised the technical proposal for the FC-20 and informed the Chinese of its requirements."[The technical proposal] is more or less finalised now. There are some changes that are required, which [the Chinese] are making," he said.
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The next stage of the contract will involve financial negotiations between China and Pakistan. ACM Qamar believes that, following the signing of a contract, it will take two to two-and-a-half years before the first FC-20 aircraft is received"
Further Reading:
And the reason for PAF to go for JF-17 is it needs to have medium tech & high tech combination as no air force in the world is fully equipped with high tech planes only, these is always a combination of medium-high tech aircrafts & PAF main focus is IAF as an adversary, we have to counter them. Plus, the true capability of JF-17 in terms of its fighting potential is still not revealed & it has much much room for further improvements & upgrades. Western Avionics are still on the table for it & engine change a possibility too. JF-17 has a very promising potential to become a true high tech aircraft in future.
PAF & China are not stupids to have gone with JF-17 when J-10 was around, there must be some reason to it, which the people at PAF & China understand better then all of us over here speculating.
Baibar of Jalat
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2014-2015 period will J 10A still be manufactured? I believe it will not, so PAF or other nations interested wont want to buy used J10As, when used F16s are available.
Electronics are unlikely to be same, I concede that but airframe will be J 10B and naturally a Chinese engine will be fitted,
Huh? Why wouldn't the J10A be manufactured then? It is only a few years old... F-16A continued to be manufactured for quite a lot more years. you only need to update its avionic and stuffs like that. And why wouldn't other nations be interested in used J10A as long as it is still good, with some updates in Avonics, radars etc, it is still potent. I believe 2nd hand J10s is much cheaper than 2nd F16s and by then I believe most 2nd hand F16 is really too old and had very little hours left in them.
Yes I know I know... That is the purpose why we are discussing here...
So that if there is someone who had a light can share it to us... Is JF-17 really had such potential than J-10's?
Personally I believe that JF-17 will equip the bulk of Pakistani airforce. It is a good plane, might not be as capable as J-10, but is still potent in aerial combat and it had a low price tag. The J-10 will be equipped by the elite squadrons of the Pakistani airforce due to its higher price tag and better equipments.
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Hmmmmm. Based on what I understand from reading posts in this forum and others, J-10 is DEFINITELY more advanced than JH-7A in aspects of both aerodynamics and avionics; and China has big plans for it. That's why I believe that China will not let anyone else have it until it has something better. This is why, I believe, China won't start selling J-10 until 2014-15 (if whatever in the media and on the web can be trusted) since, by that time, they will have something better in J-10B. Same reason the US alone keeps the F-22 while letting everyone else have F-35. Both excellent planes, but F-22 is the most advanced and the US would like to enjoy the "edge" as military personnel like to put it. The same rational applies to China. J-10 may mot be the most advanced fighter out there, but it IS the most advanced fighter that China has. And I would imagine China would also like to keep that edge, however little, it has over others.
Also from what I understand, some people keep considering this is a one-way deal: it is all up to the PAF. They can get whatever they want as long as they want it (example? the title of this thread and comments like "Is JF-17 really had such potential than J-10's?"). The only reason that the PAF doesn't have J-10 yet, based on this line of rational, would be that PAF doesn't want J-10 and somehow JH-7A is better than J-10. Well, hate to tell this, but doing business involves two parties: the buyer AND the seller. Have you considered the possibility that the reason that PAF doesn't have J-10 is that China does not want them to have it NOW?
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