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Again I'm sensing bit too negative wievs against chinese military...
Ever wore a kelvar vest? We used to hate them as the made us glumsy and our own unofficial "clinical" tests showed that they really weren't more than comfort support...Also it's rather silly to make assumptions and statemnts over three selective pictures. Why not taking a tour of our forums picture threads and you'll get positively suprised.
Running with any fullmilitary gear is bit different that it might appear in the movies..thrust me, even these "modern" type of fighting belts and vest are as much drag than these old chinese gears. From my own humble obinion, based on my own experience is that less you carry the merrier...
Well actually the only reqocnizable assault rifle is the type 81...but whats wrong with Ak-47? It's still the best assault rifle ever made and is far superior in conditions like china than many newer western rifle like M16...Boy could I tell you few strories about kalashnikoviks but i've told them so many times (so you can propaply ask from any other regular member) and it would take too much time...
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I bet there's hundreds of photoes like this one, where only differnece is that the four lads where americans instead of chinese...
Ok, get this, this is something I heard from a former PLA soldier online.
You know how the U.S. Army has those LCEs belts where you can clip your first aid kit, ammo clips, pistol ammo clips, grenades, canteens, and all the extra stuff on so you can carry them in one piece?
The PLA soldiers dont have that. They have to put their canteen, their purse, their ammo belt,their ammo jacket (is that what you call it?) and their pistol hoister on seperately. they would put on their ammo jacket thing on first, strap the purse on their left shoulder, their canteen and their grenades on their right shoulder, and then put on the combat belt and the pistol.
And get this, appearently, the fit of their helmets does not fit very well. According to the former PLA soldier, he and appearently all the rest of the soldiers he know had to hold down their helmets with their hand in order to prevent them from falling off while running.
and also onto the issue of their footware. We all know the most important thing to an infantry is his feet. after the new PLA comabt boots where issued, an increasing about of foot injuries were reported, especially sprain ankles; because the new combat boots are not very well designed, soldiers feet can roll very easily while running resulting in a badly sprained ankle, and that automatically take an infantryman out of action.
and onto training. According to some PLA infantrymen, during their entire career in the Army they have only fired 5 rounds. i am not talking about the special forces, or the elite soldiers, just the ordinary ones. 5 rounds, wow, by the end of my first year in ROTC I have already fired up to 40 clips of M4A1 ammos, thats 1200 rounds. How do you expect soldier to fight well in combat if they have never truely fired a gun before?
any who, I am not bashing the PLA. just pointing out its weaknesses. =)
That video you mention about the AK-47 vs M-16 is available on You Tube. The factor is that the AK-47 delivers a 7.62x39mm round while the M-16 delivers the NATO round a 5.56x45mm round. The footage you saw demonstrated the brute force of the AK-47 power this is due to one of many factors, one being the AK-47 round is larger than the M-16 giving it more penetration power. AK-47 is design moreso as a machine gun giving the user a heavey hit rifle, while the M-16 gives the user a accurate rifle with less hittin power. So AK-47 increase penetration decrease accuracy, M-16 increase accuracy decrease penetration. In response to the 5 round post. Probably misunderstood what the guy said. Probably said that 5 rounds was at the beginning of his career. As most soldiers in their first year concentrate moreso on the physical side than the weapons side. Second year focuses on weapons and others etc. 5 rounds no way. Not doubting you though.
The mandatory bit of drilling for college students involves around 5 rounds out of a rifle.
The AK-47, when I've used it, was a very fine rifle. And, I have to say it's better than the M16. AK-47s are better in all types of terrains compared to the M16, which jams often and is harder to clean. If you have watched something in the military channel, most likely you are watching an American military-supervised channel. More Americans disagree that AK is better than M16 due to the fact that games and such intentionally pick the M16 as the better rifle.
The main reason why Americans choose the M16 is because of its less recoil and the fact that its an American-made rifle, compared to a Russian made AK.
Even Russia accept than the Ak-47s cannot comply the standars than they have now, thats why they Create new riffles... like the AN-94 (You can find that in ) Scince China builds their own versions of the AK-47s... The Type 56 Riffle, they ussually create their own versions than weapons already created... did you hear about the Type 17 pistol? Well it's a copy of the Mauser pistol "the broomhandle" ... Im not saying that in a negative way... I mean, The Regular PLA Still using type 56 Riffles... Why they dont try to emulate better riffles like the M16 or the AN-94?A couple of thoughts:
1: The M16a2 is overall a better weapon than the now very old AK47. (the new 100-series might be a different matter) but...
-5,56 has worse performance against unarmoured targets, og targets behind trees and walls, but better against people with wests. (better penetration means more stable bullet and less damage on unarmoured targets)
- "a shot in the heart.." reliably hitting a heart doesnt happen. hitting the torso on the other hand is more likely, and you just have to use a round or two more with the m16 (wich has lower recoil and therefore makes this easier)
2. The m16 is not the best weapon around, and therefor HK has "cured" it with HK416 (my unit will be getting it in 6 months) and you are allso looking at the XM8
overall the m16 is probably best for trained soldiers and the ak47 for guerillas
....the U.S. Army also use Mi-24 Hinds... We dont care who create the weapon, we do care the performance
I mean, The Regular PLA Still using type 56 Riffles... Why they dont try to emulate better riffles like the M16 or the AN-94?