Official Xi Jinping Thought discussion thread

SanWenYu

Captain
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travel to China on a visa free trip
You answered your own question. Going to the new motherland by choice is the first screening to make sure the conversion is real but not impulsive.

Joke aside, I don't think the MSS is trying to expand its reach for the moment. Things are changing too fast for everyone to catch up. The bureaucrats might still be running around looking for answers to the demands from above.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
Yes, Snowden is a good example of what I mean. I'm pretty sure the MSS turned him down since he was too high profile. But if someone with Snowden's credentials came to HK today and wasn't adamant about whistleblowing, the MSS might offer some solution.

What exactly did Russia gain by harboring Snowden?
 

Biscuits

Colonel
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The witch hunt to find Chinese spies has been going on for tens of years. The catch has up to now been minimal: Yes, Chinese authorities use internet to find useful information, legally or otherwise. There was an American naval intelligence guy with serious alcohol problems who sold secret information. There was a Chinese student girl who tried to buy two engines for F-22. Yet I don't think that after 1960's there has been only very few public cases for somebody with access to secret information being recruited as a Chinese spy. There *must* be reason for that. My speculation is that China is not attempting that: During early 1970's Mao and Zhou figured out that legal channels to find information are so much more important that it pays of to not use illegal methods. That policy should keep witch hunts within limits.
It's more that US is both corrupt and racist to the bone. The real MSS moles are probably Jewish and rich, making them untouchable and undetectable in US political climate.

That the "hunt for Chinese spies" is not efficient should not be a surprise, because not much that US does is that efficient. Their internal security is just not very good and more focused on optics than results.

US Intel community is a glass jawed boxer, excellent offensive capabilities but little defense. American Intel strategy is to trade damage and because most nations have much smaller economies than US, they eventually go to zero while US remains acceptably stable.
 

virsuvei

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It's more that US is both corrupt and racist to the bone. The real MSS moles are probably Jewish and rich, making them untouchable and undetectable in US political climate.

That the "hunt for Chinese spies" is not efficient should not be a surprise, because not much that US does is that efficient. Their internal security is just not very good and more focused on optics than results.

US Intel community is a glass jawed boxer, excellent offensive capabilities but little defense. American Intel strategy is to trade damage and because most nations have much smaller economies than US, they eventually go to zero while US remains acceptably stable.
That presumed inefficiency can't be universal. Here in Finland they occasionally catch Soviet or Russian spies. In early 1990's the head of state security police publicly declared that now we must search the Chinese spies. Up to now they have not publicly declared a single one. The US China Initiative may be badly run but it was very extensive. They assumed lots of Chinese spies but found none, only some incompletely filled forms and deficiency in tax reporting. The Chinese spies actually found seem mostly to be persons who for some reason have contacted Chinese diplomats on their own to sell information. For Russians the typical spy cases involve searching people, luring them to start some type of cooperation and then progressing where they can either bribe or pressure more tasks to be performed. Nothing of such has come up with China. My assumption is that to be not because of colossal Western incompetence but because Chinese authorities have been ordered not to do that.
 

coolgod

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The Chinese spies actually found seem mostly to be persons who for some reason have contacted Chinese diplomats on their own to sell information.
So you understand the question I'm asking, how do foreigners defect to China nowadays without being caught.

Also your logic doesn't hold up to scrutiny either. In Finland they usually don't "find" real US spies either, not because they don't exist, but because the relevant authorities would never let that word get out to cause a diplomatic crisis.
 

siegecrossbow

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Today I asked CHAD-XI-PT a question on how lessons learned during China’s poverty alleviation can apply to a different environment — inner city America. The answer is thought provoking, to say the least.
Addressing inner-city poverty in the U.S. using lessons from China’s poverty alleviation efforts requires careful adaptation, as the cultural, political, and socioeconomic contexts differ significantly. However, some principles from China’s approach (which lifted over 800 million people out of poverty since the 1980s) could inspire innovative solutions. Below are key lessons and how they might be tailored to the U.S. urban context:

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### **1. Targeted, Data-Driven Interventions**
**China’s Approach:**
China identified poverty at the household level using precise metrics (e.g., income, access to education/healthcare) and deployed localized solutions.
**U.S. Adaptation:**
- Use granular data (census tracts, school performance, unemployment rates) to map poverty "hotspots" in cities like Detroit, Baltimore, or Chicago.
- Partner with nonprofits and local governments to create hyper-localized programs (e.g., job training for specific industries in demand, targeted housing subsidies).
- Leverage AI/analytics to predict at-risk populations (e.g., families nearing eviction) for early intervention.

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### **2. Infrastructure Investment for Economic Mobility**
**China’s Approach:**
Massive investments in rural roads, electricity, and internet connectivity enabled economic opportunities.
**U.S. Adaptation:**
- Revitalize inner-city infrastructure: Expand public transit to connect underserved neighborhoods to job hubs.
- Ensure universal broadband access to bridge the digital divide (critical for remote work and education).
- Invest in mixed-income housing and community spaces to reduce segregation and spur local economies.

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### **3. Education and Skills Training**
**China’s Approach:**
Vocational schools and subsidies for rural students improved workforce readiness.
**U.S. Adaptation:**
- Expand free community college programs and apprenticeships in growing sectors (e.g., green energy, healthcare, tech).
- Partner with corporations to fund STEM education in inner-city schools (e.g., IBM’s P-TECH model).
- Offer adult education programs to address systemic barriers like literacy or criminal records.

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### **4. Entrepreneurship and Job Creation**
**China’s Approach:**
Micro-loans and subsidies encouraged small businesses in rural areas (e.g., e-commerce villages).
**U.S. Adaptation:**
- Provide grants/loans to minority-owned businesses in food deserts or underserved neighborhoods.
- Create incubators for social enterprises addressing local needs (e.g., urban farming, recycling initiatives).
- Incentivize corporations to relocate offices or factories to inner cities through tax breaks (similar to Opportunity Zones).

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### **5. Healthcare and Social Safety Nets**
**China’s Approach:**
Expanded rural healthcare access reduced medical debt, a major driver of poverty.
**U.S. Adaptation:**
- Strengthen Medicaid and community health clinics in underserved areas.
- Address "health deserts" by subsidizing grocery stores with fresh produce or mobile clinics.
- Pilot universal basic income (UBI) programs to stabilize low-income families (e.g., Stockton, CA’s experiment).

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### **6. Grassroots Governance and Accountability**
**China’s Approach:**
Local officials were held accountable for poverty reduction targets.
**U.S. Adaptation:**
- Empower community leaders and NGOs to co-design policies with governments (avoiding top-down mandates).
- Tie federal funding for cities to measurable outcomes (e.g., reducing childhood poverty rates by 20% in 5 years).
- Foster transparency with public dashboards tracking progress on poverty metrics.

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### **7. Cultural Shift: Dignity and Empowerment**
**China’s Approach:**
Moved from aid dependency to fostering self-reliance (e.g., "help people fish, not give them fish").
**U.S. Adaptation:**
- Frame poverty alleviation as a collective responsibility, not charity. Highlight success stories (e.g., formerly homeless entrepreneurs).
- Address stigma around poverty through media campaigns and school curricula.
- Involve affected communities in decision-making to restore agency and dignity.


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### **Challenges to Consider**
- **Systemic Inequities:** Inner-city poverty in the U.S. is intertwined with racial discrimination, mass incarceration, and historical redlining. Solutions must address these root causes.
- **Political Will:** China’s centralized model is ill-suited for the U.S., but bipartisan coalitions (e.g., expanding the Child Tax Credit) can mimic its scale.
- **Sustainability:** Avoid quick fixes (e.g., temporary welfare) in favor of systemic reforms (e.g., living wage laws, affordable childcare).

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### **Inspiring Examples**
- **Harlem Children’s Zone (HCZ):** A holistic "cradle-to-career" model providing education, healthcare, and family support.
- **Detroit’s Urban Farming Movement:** Transforming blighted areas into agricultural hubs for jobs and food security.
- **Baltimore’s Promise:** A data-driven partnership to improve youth outcomes through coordinated services.

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### **Conclusion**
China’s success hinged on long-term planning, localized solutions, and massive resource mobilization. For U.S. inner cities, a hybrid approach—combining public-private partnerships, community empowerment, and systemic reforms—could break cycles of poverty. However, it must prioritize equity, inclusivity, and addressing America’s unique historical legacies.

Although many good points are raised I fear that DS underestimates the dysfunction of the current Western system. Nonetheless it offers good pointers on how the issue can be tackled under idealized circumstances.
 
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