Official Xi Jinping Thought discussion thread

[fatzergling]

Yeah, of course there should be some controls. No country on earth, not even the Liberal western countries have no controls whatsoever on the Internet not the even the US/EUROPE. There are still some Controls on some things government there considers innaprioriate or not acceptable to the country. So yes of course there are some controls, but that doesn't means you should just close up your country's entire population from access to Internet worldwide. That's just stupid. As Deng(someone I really admire not just for his courage and zeal to change his country but even more so for not being too power hungry at all cost unlike some of his predecessors ) said: "“A country is just like a house, it has windows and gates. If you close the window, you get no fresh air, and also no flies. But if you open the window fresh air comes in and also some flies.”
This sums up things very well. Just because opening your window for fresh air and better living conditions might attract some flies in the house doesn't means you will live your whole life with your windows always closed. Lol. You open them and then try and mitigate the flies by putting some controls and filters in the windows to limit flies coming in. That should be obvious. Lol

The media, or the owners of the media company, consider some topics to be outright heresy.

You can look at Caixin or SCMP to see what I mean (pro privatization, anti-state business, pro-West aka pro capital).

This is because privately owned media moguls seek to appropriate more of the economy into their own hands.

This also goes for the Internet companies, which were developed in the neoliberal area and explicitly based on profits and shareholder control.

Until China is strong enough to topple this web by offering an alternative, quiet suppression is all they can do. Hell, even Chinese internet companies are based on the neoliberal model. Just look at Tiktok: there is no structural difference between it and say Google.

 

[Wrought]

How's the pay in the agitprop business nowadays? You seem to make a lot of comments on things you know nothing about.

For the rest of the visitors of the forum, Chinese can visit the outside web just fine except many Western propaganda outlets.

As always, Hanlon's razor applies.

 

[Phead128]

We saw what Western propaganda and misinformation did in Hong Kong protests. It's even worse now in the age of AI, misinformation is even harder to detect. Western propaganda is risky and destabilizing, and most of it is low IQ drivel. Even most Americans have a historic low trust in mainstream media, even Americans don't want to read or trust their own media, which says a lot doesn't it.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Only XJP Thought can save America!

Saw this in reddit today.
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[FairAndUnbiased]

I disagree. You can't decide to close yourself off forever. It will feel like the government is insecure about its rule. Afterall, apart from North Korea China is one of the only country on earth to have such a closed Internet. I don't think the CCP is so fragile that they will fall just from opening the Internet space to the world. Not even Russia, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela etc are that closed off from the world Internet wise, and their regime are still doing just fine

lol, this aged well. Iran didn't truly ban WhatsApp with IP blocks until now.

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The result is clear. China has been proven correct yet again.

 

[BlackWindMnt]

lol, this aged well. Iran didn't truly ban WhatsApp with IP blocks until now.

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The result is clear. China has been proven correct yet again.

This is why Russia did practice runs before the SMO to see how Russia would function with only intranet capabilities.

 

[TK3600]

OK. I guess China should keep the GFW as long as CCP exists.

Moreover, I already said that there is no change/reform that doesn't come with some risks or dangers. However, that doesn't means you should ever change or reform because you are scared of the risks involved. Lol. If China had followed such a policy then would have been better for Deng to maintain the status quo and carried on with the country's Maoist policies and economic system since it carried no risks whatsoever instead of opening up and Liberalising the economy despite all the risks that involved (both economically and politically).
As I said before, I believe that the GFW has more disadvantages for China than advantages.. Afterall it has cut off Chinese people from the world's Internet population, China is basically like North Korea in this aspect. No other countries has such a closed up Internet not even Cuba, Iran, Russia etc. For some people to think the CCP rule will be threaten if China opened up its Internet is stupid. They make it sound like the CCP is so fragile that opening up its Internet space will lead to its collapse. So they want to make us believe that CCP RULE is more fragile and weaker than Putin's Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran etc etc ? Lol. I don't believe that 1 minute.
Plus, the GFW Has made Chinese innovative Internet companies(who I believe are as good AS American ones) to be more focused on only serving China instead of being more widespread worldwide. So China has had to rely on US social media companies to reach audiences globally. Even Chinese officials have to use twitter to reach audiences in the world, or Facebook, YouTube etc etc instead of Chinese social media platforms. This are also the consequences of the GFW.
Even the only Chinese social media Platform that has been successful in being used ubiquituously worldwide I. E Tiktok, they have to completely separate their global operations from that of the mina land due to the GFW. So global audiences who might have wanted to interact with their Chinese counterpart can't even do so.. In fact to access China most people around the world have to rely on Western platforms to learn about China, not Chinese platforms.. This in itself should be a wake up call for Chinese leaders to change this.

Closing off the country is safer. You look at Iran and Cuba and you see how infiltrated and broken they are, then you see China, you would understand why your example is arguing against yourself that closed is bad.

That said, I am all for loosening the GFW. It is for the same reason economic opening is good: it opens up avenues for offence. For the risk it entails, a highly competent government could use the openness to attack others. In terms of economy, we see China deindustrialize western countries through mix of protectionist policy and free trade where it is advantageous. I believe same could apply for information. Block the problematic social medias, but open up the country enough that their own platform could undermine the competitors in the long term, though the natural force of market.

Social media should be under 'protectionist' policy. User data is a treasure that must not be under control of foreign countries, they must set up database in China, and comply local laws. Their influence allowed, but curtailed enough that a domestic competition exists and has motivation to compete and self improve. Any western media presence in China must be staffed by majority local Chinese. This is a manner similar to JV of automobile industry. In the mean time, Chinese users has the critical mass to influence the discourse of foreign countries, making their domestic propaganda control harder. As we see Tiktok was doing.

Only China is strong enough to have the potential for this kind of offensive maneuver against dominant west. The rest like Iran and Cuba are better off closing themselves to maximize safety.

 

[vincent]

Closing off the country is safer. You look at Iran and Cuba and you see how infiltrated and broken they are, then you see China, you would understand why your example is arguing against yourself that closed is bad.

That said, I am all for loosening the GFW. It is for the same reason economic opening is good: it opens up avenues for offence. For the risk it entails, a highly competent government could use the openness to attack others. In terms of economy, we see China deindustrialize western countries through mix of protectionist policy and free trade where it is advantageous. I believe same could apply for information. Block the problematic social medias, but open up the country enough that their own platform could undermine the competitors in the long term, though the natural force of market.

Social media should be under 'protectionist' policy. User data is a treasure that must not be under control of foreign countries, they must set up database in China, and comply local laws. Their influence allowed, but curtailed enough that a domestic competition exists and has motivation to compete and self improve. Any western media presence in China must be staffed by majority local Chinese. This is a manner similar to JV of automobile industry. In the mean time, Chinese users has the critical mass to influence the discourse of foreign countries, making their domestic propaganda control harder. As we see Tiktok was doing.

Only China is strong enough to have the potential for this kind of offensive maneuver against dominant west. The rest like Iran and Cuba are better off closing themselves to maximize safety.

Christ, Chinese in China can access most websites outside of China, just not Western social media nor Western propaganda sites. Geez

 

[broadsword]

Christ, Chinese in China can access most websites outside of China, just not Western social media nor Western propaganda sites. Geez

With or without VPN?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Closing off the country is safer. You look at Iran and Cuba and you see how infiltrated and broken they are, then you see China, you would understand why your example is arguing against yourself that closed is bad.

That said, I am all for loosening the GFW. It is for the same reason economic opening is good: it opens up avenues for offence. For the risk it entails, a highly competent government could use the openness to attack others. In terms of economy, we see China deindustrialize western countries through mix of protectionist policy and free trade where it is advantageous. I believe same could apply for information. Block the problematic social medias, but open up the country enough that their own platform could undermine the competitors in the long term, though the natural force of market.

Social media should be under 'protectionist' policy. User data is a treasure that must not be under control of foreign countries, they must set up database in China, and comply local laws. Their influence allowed, but curtailed enough that a domestic competition exists and has motivation to compete and self improve. Any western media presence in China must be staffed by majority local Chinese. This is a manner similar to JV of automobile industry. In the mean time, Chinese users has the critical mass to influence the discourse of foreign countries, making their domestic propaganda control harder. As we see Tiktok was doing.

Only China is strong enough to have the potential for this kind of offensive maneuver against dominant west. The rest like Iran and Cuba are better off closing themselves to maximize safety.

the western tech companies that obey China's laws (Microsoft, Apple) are already in China.

the pro move is to bring everyone else inside the wall like XHS.