Official Xi Jinping Thought discussion thread

[AndrewS]

I disagree. You can't decide to close yourself off forever. It will feel like the government is insecure about its rule. Afterall, apart from North Korea China is one of the only country on earth to have such a closed Internet. I don't think the CCP is so fragile that they will fall just from opening the Internet space to the world. Not even Russia, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela etc are that closed off from the world Internet wise, and their regime are still doing just fine, and Chinas government is doing far better governance wise than all of them. So this fear about opening up the Internet space for chinese access to the world Internet space is ridiculous to be honest. You can't leave it like that forever, there will always be insecurities and dangers obviously just like when Deng decided to open up China for ftoriegn investment and allow private individuals in China to own their own business and property. Many feared such radical changes even more than today's fear of opening up the Internet space, bubthe country navigated such changes just fine..
At some point things will have to change. Can't stay the same forever.

There's reporting that Hainan is opening up the GFW on application.

I give it another 15 years maximum before the GFW is opened entirely.
By that point, China should be close to a fully developed country, so there shouldn't be any envy of overseas countries and lifestyles.

 

[Michael90]

There's reporting that Hainan is opening up the GFW on application.

I give it another 15 years maximum before the GFW is opened entirely.
By that point, China should be close to a fully developed country, so there shouldn't be any envy of overseas countries and lifestyles.

I haven't seen any government report saying that they are opening up the GFW in hainan.. So that's just rumours so far?
I ce I see an official CCP report about that then I will believe that. Until then it's just talk, there have been many such talks/rumours in the past about an imminent opening up of the GFW, but so far we have seen nothing change if anything they have often tedn to even tighten it up even more not less. Lol I don't know what the government is so afraid of to be honest.

 

[TK3600]

The west will come to understand the firewall is protecting them, not the other way around. Shut down the firewall would be like The Rumbling from Attack on Titans. 1.4 billion well educated, articulate people joining the internet will dominate the discourse. We have seen how powerful Indian influence are. Remember, only half of them could use internet. The Chinese will be like Indians, but twice the userbase, and more articulate.

 

[wuguanhui]

I like the GFW, it keeps the general internet family friendly and low on Western propaganda. When I need my porn or politics, I have my VPN. The govt should actually have state regulated safe VPNs so we don't have to rely on dodgy Western VPN companies who are probably spying on my pornhub history.

 

[another505]

Zhang Youxia revolted against him.
Xi has lost power and will be ousted.
Right now the ruling body is by committee including former ones like hu and wen rather than a single successor. Wang yang, hu Chang hua,

Please explain why xi is still in power and meeting lukshaneko?

Or did your USAID fund ended?

 

[supersnoop]

I disagree. You can't decide to close yourself off forever. It will feel like the government is insecure about its rule. Afterall, apart from North Korea China is one of the only country on earth to have such a closed Internet. I don't think the CCP is so fragile that they will fall just from opening the Internet space to the world. Not even Russia, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela etc are that closed off from the world Internet wise, and their regime are still doing just fine, and Chinas government is doing far better governance wise than all of them. So this fear about opening up the Internet space for chinese access to the world Internet space is ridiculous to be honest. You can't leave it like that forever, there will always be insecurities and dangers obviously just like when Deng decided to open up China for ftoriegn investment and allow private individuals in China to own their own business and property. Many feared such radical changes even more than today's fear of opening up the Internet space, bubthe country navigated such changes just fine..
At some point things will have to change. Can't stay the same forever.

Actually, we are seeing the opposite from the West at this point. The unfiltered nature of the internet is starting to have real and grave consequences in society and there is a real question as to how to counter it.

It's ranging from the more mundane, ie. influencer crazes, to troubling, but not necessarily novel, ie. TikTok Challenges, Suicide encouragement, to actual WTF issues, measles comeback, incel and other new groups of terrorists, wider-spread neo-nazi movements. Political parties from both sides of the spectrum want greater control and moderation (even if only to exploit for their own political motives).

Even if only a fraction of a percent of people in China are stupid enough to believe in 5G receiver chips being secretly implanted into our skin by doctors, it would be a few million, and probably in the Chinese government's calculation, a few million too many...

 

[Michael90]

Actually, we are seeing the opposite from the West at this point. The unfiltered nature of the internet is starting to have real and grave consequences in society and there is a real question as to how to counter it.

It's ranging from the more mundane, ie. influencer crazes, to troubling, but not necessarily novel, ie. TikTok Challenges, Suicide encouragement, to actual WTF issues, measles comeback, incel and other new groups of terrorists, wider-spread neo-nazi movements. Political parties from both sides of the spectrum want greater control and moderation (even if only to exploit for their own political motives).

Even if only a fraction of a percent of people in China are stupid enough to believe in 5G receiver chips being secretly implanted into our skin by doctors, it would be a few million, and probably in the Chinese government's calculation, a few million too many...

OK. I guess China should keep the GFW as long as CCP exists.

Moreover, I already said that there is no change/reform that doesn't come with some risks or dangers. However, that doesn't means you should ever change or reform because you are scared of the risks involved. Lol. If China had followed such a policy then would have been better for Deng to maintain the status quo and carried on with the country's Maoist policies and economic system since it carried no risks whatsoever instead of opening up and Liberalising the economy despite all the risks that involved (both economically and politically).
As I said before, I believe that the GFW has more disadvantages for China than advantages.. Afterall it has cut off Chinese people from the world's Internet population, China is basically like North Korea in this aspect. No other countries has such a closed up Internet not even Cuba, Iran, Russia etc. For some people to think the CCP rule will be threaten if China opened up its Internet is stupid. They make it sound like the CCP is so fragile that opening up its Internet space will lead to its collapse. So they want to make us believe that CCP RULE is more fragile and weaker than Putin's Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran etc etc ? Lol. I don't believe that 1 minute.
Plus, the GFW Has made Chinese innovative Internet companies(who I believe are as good AS American ones) to be more focused on only serving China instead of being more widespread worldwide. So China has had to rely on US social media companies to reach audiences globally. Even Chinese officials have to use twitter to reach audiences in the world, or Facebook, YouTube etc etc instead of Chinese social media platforms. This are also the consequences of the GFW.
Even the only Chinese social media Platform that has been successful in being used ubiquituously worldwide I. E Tiktok, they have to completely separate their global operations from that of the mina land due to the GFW. So global audiences who might have wanted to interact with their Chinese counterpart can't even do so.. In fact to access China most people around the world have to rely on Western platforms to learn about China, not Chinese platforms.. This in itself should be a wake up call for Chinese leaders to change this.

 

[supersnoop]

OK. I guess China should keep the GFW as long as CCP exists.

Moreover, I already said that there is no change/reform that doesn't come with some risks or dangers. However, that doesn't means you should ever change or reform because you are scared of the risks involved. Lol. If China had followed such a policy then would have been better for Deng to maintain the status quo and carried on with the country's Maoist policies and economic system since it carried no risks whatsoever instead of opening up and Liberalising the economy despite all the risks that involved (both economically and politically).
As I said before, I believe that the GFW has more disadvantages for China than advantages.. Afterall it has cut off Chinese people from the world's Internet population, China is basically like North Korea in this aspect. No other countries has such a closed up Internet not even Cuba, Iran, Russia etc. For some people to think the CCP rule will be threaten if China opened up its Internet is stupid. They make it sound like the CCP is so fragile that opening up its Internet space will lead to its collapse. So they want to make us believe that CCP RULE is more fragile and weaker than Putin's Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran etc etc ? Lol. I don't believe that 1 minute.
Plus, the GFW Has made Chinese innovative Internet companies(who I believe are as good AS American ones) to be more focused on only serving China instead of being more widespread worldwide. So China has had to rely on US social media companies to reach audiences globally. Even Chinese officials have to use twitter to reach audiences in the world, or Facebook, YouTube etc etc instead of Chinese social media platforms. This are also the consequences of the GFW.
Even the only Chinese social media Platform that has been successful in being used ubiquituously worldwide I. E Tiktok, they have to completely separate their global operations from that of the mina land due to the GFW. So global audiences who might have wanted to interact with their Chinese counterpart can't even do so.. In fact to access China most people around the world have to rely on Western platforms to learn about China, not Chinese platforms.. This in itself should be a wake up call for Chinese leaders to change this.

Actually, I do agree that the internet in China is probably too tightly controlled. However, I also think there is a lot of merit into having strong controls in general, the question is, to what degree?

CPC is obviously not that fragile, people are fairly free to come and go, so they know what the world is like and they are fine with they way China is.

As you mention, there are advantages to the GFW system, things can be more efficient. How much time/money is wasted on conspiracy theories? All it takes is for one celebrity to talk about how they only trust homeopathic remedies and then you have spend/waste additional money on healthcare. If a person just took an acetaminophen tablet (paracetamol to you), it would have lowered their fever. Instead they became worse and went to the hospital. Now multiply this by a million, then multiply it by the other vectors, like extremist groups, state-sponsored disinformation, etc., etc.

I think the current overly-cautious (you might call it paranoid) approach can at least partially be attributed to coming from a weaker position initially. Other than TikTok, basically all the social media companies are dominated by America. Even on the hardware side (routers, etc.) American companies were dominant at one point, and known to plant backdoors at the behest of the government. Maybe that is still an early 2000's mindset, but that's the way it was.

 

[Michael90]

Actually, I do agree that the internet in China is probably too tightly controlled. However, I also think there is a lot of merit into having strong controls in general, the question is, to what degree?

CPC is obviously not that fragile, people are fairly free to come and go, so they know what the world is like and they are fine with they way China is.

Yeah, of course there should be some controls. No country on earth, not even the Liberal western countries have no controls whatsoever on the Internet not the even the US/EUROPE. There are still some Controls on some things government there considers innaprioriate or not acceptable to the country. So yes of course there are some controls, but that doesn't means you should just close up your country's entire population from access to Internet worldwide. That's just stupid. As Deng(someone I really admire not just for his courage and zeal to change his country but even more so for not being too power hungry at all cost unlike some of his predecessors ) said: "“A country is just like a house, it has windows and gates. If you close the window, you get no fresh air, and also no flies. But if you open the window fresh air comes in and also some flies.”
This sums up things very well. Just because opening your window for fresh air and better living conditions might attract some flies in the house doesn't means you will live your whole life with your windows always closed. Lol. You open them and then try and mitigate the flies by putting some controls and filters in the windows to limit flies coming in. That should be obvious. Lol

 

[vincent]

Yeah, of course there should be some controls. No country on earth, not even the Liberal western countries have no controls whatsoever on the Internet not the even the US/EUROPE. There are still some Controls on some things government there considers innaprioriate or not acceptable to the country. So yes of course there are some controls, but that doesn't means you should just close up your country's entire population from access to Internet worldwide. That's just stupid. As Deng(someone I really admire not just for his courage and zeal to change his country but even more so for not being too power hungry at all cost unlike some of his predecessors ) said: "“A country is just like a house, it has windows and gates. If you close the window, you get no fresh air, and also no flies. But if you open the window fresh air comes in and also some flies.”
This sums up things very well. Just because opening your window for fresh air and better living conditions might attract some flies in the house doesn't means you will live your whole life with your windows always closed. Lol. You open them and then try and mitigate the flies by putting some controls and filters in the windows to limit flies coming in. That should be obvious. Lol

How's the pay in the agitprop business nowadays? You seem to make a lot of comments on things you know nothing about.

For the rest of the visitors of the forum, Chinese can visit the outside web just fine except many Western propaganda outlets.