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Equation

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I expect that it will, because otherwise Beijing wouldn't be defending it so vehemently. It's also worth noting that although the Chief Executive committee has in the past allowed pro-Democrats to stand, they've thrown their weight heavily behind the pro-Beijing establishment figure at the actual election. Given the rules limit the number of candidates and requires candidates to have the support of more than 50% of the committee, it seems hard to see how a pro-democracy candidate - or at least one with any charisma who is therefore a threat to the pro-Beijing candidate(s) - will get nominated.
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What charisma? Have you seen those Taiwan parliament members fighting each other, not to mention HK lately? You automatically assume that competence and "charisma" candidate will blossom within a "pro-democracy" candidate. Government position jobs are taken a lot more seriously in China than any other country, it's not a popularity contest.
 
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Mr T

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Japanese country constituencies are notoriously much smaller than city ones.

Yes, but not to the extent where 150 people are electing one MP, as is the case in Hong Kong!

What charisma?

*Sigh*

Ok, whatever you want to call that attribute or attributes that are ascribed to politicians who successfully win elections because the public think they will do a good job. As opposed to those politicians who win because the system is rigged or they're just deemed to be not as bad as their opponent.
 

Brumby

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I think the main concern was not that they could have enough weapon to conduct an armed uprising, but that a small number of radicals might be planning to use weapons to produce chaos and instigate a bloody conflict. So it's not the number of weapon that matters the most, but the fact that they were confiscated from youngsters closely connected to the separatist movement.

What you described is a real possibility in terms of chaos that could ensured because there are always fringe elements in every society. However I think it is important to make a distinction between those "OC" elements who are protesting vs. a potential fringe element group who might have non peaceful objectives. When the term insurgency is used it is important to make that distinction.
 

plawolf

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Ok, whatever you want to call that attribute or attributes that are ascribed to politicians who successfully win elections because the public think they will do a good job.

Lies, lies and more lies, simples.

As opposed to those politicians who win because the system is rigged or they're just deemed to be not as bad as their opponent.

You just described every single 'functional' democracy in the world.
 

MwRYum

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What you described is a real possibility in terms of chaos that could ensured because there are always fringe elements in every society. However I think it is important to make a distinction between those "OC" elements who are protesting vs. a potential fringe element group who might have non peaceful objectives. When the term insurgency is used it is important to make that distinction.

When your "peaceful protesters" are obviously aiding and abetting the so-called "fringe elements" by refusing to disassociating from the latter outright, and the latter supply weapons to the former, that tell you everything, the fact that both are in fact of the same ilk.

And those "wooden shield" are no benign defensive items, they've protruding nail bits facing outwards, and thus to be use offensively against the police.
 

Brumby

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When your "peaceful protesters" are obviously aiding and abetting the so-called "fringe elements" by refusing to disassociating from the latter outright, and the latter supply weapons to the former, that tell you everything, the fact that both are in fact of the same ilk.

And those "wooden shield" are no benign defensive items, they've protruding nail bits facing outwards, and thus to be use offensively against the police.

There are a number of key words that you have used and would require clarification to its meaning :

(i) Obviously - that means evidence would have to be beyond reasonable doubt
(ii) Aiding - what exactly does that mean?
(iii) Abetting - similar question to (ii)
(iv) Refusing to disassociate from one to the other. In order for that to happen, four things need to happen :(1) Able to identify the main group, (2) able to identify the fringe group; (3) demonstrate association between the two groups; and (4) explain what is meant by refusing to disassociate
(v) Has your definition of weapons changed from modified air guns to something much wider?

Remember all these are in the context of intended insurgency and not unruly behaviour.
 

MwRYum

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There are a number of key words that you have used and would require clarification to its meaning :

(i) Obviously - that means evidence would have to be beyond reasonable doubt
(ii) Aiding - what exactly does that mean?
(iii) Abetting - similar question to (ii)
(iv) Refusing to disassociate from one to the other. In order for that to happen, four things need to happen :(1) Able to identify the main group, (2) able to identify the fringe group; (3) demonstrate association between the two groups; and (4) explain what is meant by refusing to disassociate
(v) Has your definition of weapons changed from modified air guns to something much wider?

Remember all these are in the context of intended insurgency and not unruly behaviour.

It's your freedom to side with the insurgents, then. It's not my fault that you failed to see through their smokes and mirrors.

For now I know at this time I can answer the 4th question:
Never did I made the case out of modified air guns, their numbers are too insignificant, and pretty expensive in the first place, but those "shields" that's usage is more than purely defensive.

As for the 1st to 3rd, I don't know if that'd constitute as good answers but here goes:
For one thing, during the insurgency at first the insurgents behaved with arrogance but still tried to tame themselves to look good in front of cameras; but ever since the failed assault on the LegCo Building, the organizers of the insurgency, who keep reiterating their so-called "not-violent movement", failed to outright disassociate themselves with those anarchist thugs, even calling them "friends" and "understood their intent", and pretty much the public support (or sympathy) take a nose dive since then.

And if you lot don't like the term "insurgents", how about "anarchist"? Even before the insurgency, the radicals amongst the anti-government camp have been packaging and promoting anarchy as embodiment to democracy; during the insurgency such group mingled, and even providing the muscles for the insurgents in the occupied zones, if not actively recruiting youths into their ranks with their brand of anti-social messages that tingles the rebellious tendency in any teenagers. Now, they've been vandalizing all over the city, spraying graffiti with messages advocating separatism and armed insurrection.

I know in the West, folks takes a more lax attitude against graffiti, but despite however westernised HK is, it's still an Eastern society, and we've a stricter, more negative outlook against such acts. Pity we ain't like Singapore, that we've abolished judicial caning decades ago.

And in all that, the student activists and the consummate politicians in the anti-government faction still failed to disassociate themselves from such characters and activities, even providing moral support both on social media platforms and out in the streets. So, tell me, if they not come from the same cut of cloth, what else could it be? A Hydra may have many heads and not all thinks on the same frequency, but in the end they're still of the same monster.
 
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AssassinsMace

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That contrast is between day and night. The former is embodied in the Joint British Sino declaration and confirmed in the Basic Law. The latter is a poke at history that at best is counter factual reasoning.

Well according Mr. T, I can make up the law along the way that suits my purpose unless I can't because I'm not equal under the law which means your side doesn't believe in democracy hence your law is irrelevant.
 
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