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According to Huawei's website the Ascend 910 AI processor is made in N7+ process i.e. TSMC.
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These are likely chips they got before the sanctions.
yeah, it has a huge stack of stored Ascend and Kunpeng chips from before sanction got implemented, but it would still be surprising to see that stash will last much longer. Which is why I find it skeptical they will only use their own AI GPUs.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Wondering if China could dangle a "way out" bait for these rapidly de-industrializing economies. It could be a useful bargaining chip to control the level of belligerence from swing states like Germany. Ex: "If you allow us a controlling stake in Hamburg and other critical German infrastructure, we'll consider signing more JVs to keep a few of your brands competitive."

That's a fascinating topic– sustainable development, but for first world countries.

The G6 always stayed on top by dominating existing industries and by peddling crony capitalism to developing countries and forcing them to be raw material suppliers. They thought they were at the peak of human development and just never bothered with improving themselves. When Japan rose up, it had to invent the "blue ocean strategy" to carve out enough hi-tech fields for themselves.

It was easy for the Asian tigers to do so because they were small nations and could only occupy a few niches. China is different. China has more people than Europe and North America combined. It could handily occupy and lead every single technology field and still have more STEM talent left over– and it will soon do so. As a result, there aren't enough hi-tech, high profit industries to go around, and these so-called innovation economies can't reinvent themselves fast enough to keep aloft. What we're seeing is: China isn't climbing up the tech tree and kicking away the ladder, it's eating the whole ladder.
+1, right on point, and the kicker is, China climbing up any tech ladder will always decrease the profit margins for any field due to both competition and inherently lower costs (due to economies of scale, infrastructure and highly productive labor).

So when they said they can't afford the world for Chinese to live like the west, they're wrong. All it takes is for the west that hasn't cut resource usage and emissions to Chinese levels yet, to do so, and for profit margins to be normalized at the Chinese level.

Most European countries won't change much but US/CAN/AUS/SK/JP in particular are going to take a 50% cut on their economy when China takes their markets. Now you know why some are going apeshit over China, and some are just along for the ride.
 

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yeah, it has a huge stack of stored Ascend and Kunpeng chips from before sanction got implemented, but it would still be surprising to see that stash will last much longer. Which is why I find it skeptical they will only use their own AI GPUs.
Huawei is still selling the Ascend chips. It must have plenty in stock.

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天津成立人工智能计算中心​

本报天津3月19日电 (记者李家鼎)18日,天津市人工智能计算中心揭牌仪式暨天津数字产业峰会召开,天津市人工智能计算中心正式上线对外运营,并正式加入中国算力网。

据了解,天津市人工智能计算中心位于河北区张兴庄地块,项目以基于华为昇腾AI人工智能芯片构建的人工智能计算机集群为基础,涵盖了基建基础设施、硬件基础设施和软件基础设施的完整系统,主要应用于人工智能深度学习模型开发、模型训练和模型推理等场景,提供从底层芯片算力释放到顶层应用的全线人工智能能力。天津市人工智能计算中心整体规划300P算力,2022年底首批100P算力上线投入运营,并实现上线即满载。
 

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So interesting article. It's about KUKA and robots per capita in the manufacturing industry.

“Our goal is to reach 530 robots per 10,000 employees in 2023.” “In the first half of 2021, we had 320 robots per 10,000 people,” the executive said.

For reference

2020: 246, 9th place
2021: 322, 5th place
2022: Data still unavailable, but probably 400+ and 4th place, overtaking Germany
End of 2023, around 530, and they would be 3rd place.

Only SK and Singapore will have a higher robot density per capita. Looks like they're installing at a rate of around 80 robots per 10,000 employees a year, a rate of 35% from 2020 to 2021. During the peak of covid. And the rate is still increasing. They should be installing 100+ robots this year. At this rate, they would overtake Singapore by 2025 and SK around 2028-2030. SK is still way ahead, having 1000 robots per employees, that's 1 robot for every 10 worker. And that's for manufacturing, it doesn't count robots in other sectors.

By contrast, America had 255 robots per 10,000 employees in 2020 and rose to only 274 by 2021.
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Bellum_Romanum

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+1, right on point, and the kicker is, China climbing up any tech ladder will always decrease the profit margins for any field due to both competition and inherently lower costs (due to economies of scale, infrastructure and highly productive labor).

So when they said they can't afford the world for Chinese to live like the west, they're wrong. All it takes is for the west that hasn't cut resource usage and emissions to Chinese levels yet, to do so, and for profit margins to be normalized at the Chinese level.

Most European countries won't change much but US/CAN/AUS/SK/JP in particular are going to take a 50% cut on their economy when China takes their markets. Now you know why some are going apeshit over China, and some are just along for the ride.
Therein lies the problem with all the western countries you mentioned because for a quite a long time the persistent and the most consistent theme and narrative was that China was essentially a backwater country; technologically laggard, slave labor, no rule of law, oppressive state apparatus, stifling not just innovation but the essential creative freedom allowing the geniuses tech companies and industries of tomorrow driving the economic prosperity along the way. So the People's perception, understanding, appreciation of the China competition is already heavily distorted, based on very negative portrayal lacking in context and relies more on propaganda which is itself ironic. As a result all these Chinese rocket like progress that's been coming at them doesn't add up to the narrative they've been told time after time. Which is partly the reason(s) why the anti-China attacks of stealing IP, mass surveillance, mass hacking, cheating etc. seeps into the emotional and psychological psyche of these people. Who can blame them? If you're told that a subset of people in a particular country is nothing but a shit hole and a dystopian hell hole with a political system that's worst in the history of the world you're not likely to be sanguine on that country and people now are you.

The west, led by its government has basically coasted on the victory it achieved in WWII without explicitly acknowledging the sacrifices made by the people in China as if their contributions were inconsequential and not worth mentioning when the reality was much much different. The size, scope, and scale of the sacrifices in blood, treasures, and lives from China and Soviet Russia are unimaginable in the western mindset. Plus, this new world order was validated and punctuated when the USSR fell further solidifying and entrenching not just the American hyperpower but also the triumph of western ideology leading to the now famous/infamous Fukiyamas "End Of History" essay turned book.

The people have lost touched became lazy, entitled to the idea that their lives are supposed to live in a lap of luxurious privilege. The competitive zeal and innovation that kept the west at the top of every HDI has been assumed to be their divine right and preordained. The dumbing down of its education, hedonistic degenerative culture, violence, never ending culture war has kept them busy while the Chinese people were chugging along and aiming with an almost singular purpose and focus to achieve their dream of Chinese national rejuvenation as well as the reunification of lost territories, culminating and arriving at the current juncture where we are today.

Instead of acknowledging the rights and respecting China's enormous achievements which are unprecedented they're instead maligned, dismissed with hubiristic rubbish. The political machine cannot and will not be able to tell their people the truth nor will they be able to craft anything that would accommodate China's place in the world. Doing so would admit to their now rabbid like populace that China's system works, and that there's another way for any other countries to lift themselves up by their bootstrap if they do desire not just by want, but by actual deeds.
 

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Huawei is still selling the Ascend chips. It must have plenty in stock.

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天津成立人工智能计算中心​

本报天津3月19日电 (记者李家鼎)18日,天津市人工智能计算中心揭牌仪式暨天津数字产业峰会召开,天津市人工智能计算中心正式上线对外运营,并正式加入中国算力网。

据了解,天津市人工智能计算中心位于河北区张兴庄地块,项目以基于华为昇腾AI人工智能芯片构建的人工智能计算机集群为基础,涵盖了基建基础设施、硬件基础设施和软件基础设施的完整系统,主要应用于人工智能深度学习模型开发、模型训练和模型推理等场景,提供从底层芯片算力释放到顶层应用的全线人工智能能力。天津市人工智能计算中心整体规划300P算力,2022年底首批100P算力上线投入运营,并实现上线即满载。
It's also still selling Kunpeng chips. Just because it has them in stock, doesn't mean it's only using them for its own AI program. Given how big Huawei wants to get in AI, it's stock pile is unlikely going to be large enough.
 
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