News on China's scientific and technological development.

And if we look at Korea in 2000, I reckon they're roughly at the same wealth and R&D levels as China is today.

And from 2000-2007, they doubled R&D staffing from 2.5 to 5 per 1000 people.

In China terms, that would be going from roughly 3million to 6million R&D staff.

AndrewS said:

And if we look at Korea in 2000, I reckon they're roughly at the same wealth and R&D levels as China is today.

And from 2000-2007, they doubled R&D staffing from 2.5 to 5 per 1000 people.

In China terms, that would be going from roughly 3million to 6million R&D staff.

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Korea was still recovering from the currency crisis of 1997 at that time(2000) so I don't think it would be a balanced comparison.

SamuraiBlue said:

Korea was still recovering from the currency crisis of 1997 at that time(2000) so I don't think it would be a balanced comparison.

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Well, China is not in the most favorable international economic environment either. How long has the world economic recession been? In fact, China's economic performance is even more impressive when considering how poorly everyone else is doing. I don't think SK ever had the kind of influence that China does now on international economy.

Plus, SK has had the backing of some of the most powerful economic powerhouses, such as the US and Japan. China, on the other hand, is competing against these same powerhouses.

Here's a couple of other interesting comparisons on research institutions.

Fraunhofer Institutes (Germany)
Researchers/staff: 24k
Institutes: 67
Budget: $2.4B approx
NB. 70% of funding from business. 30% from Government

Chinese Academy of Sciences (PRC)
Researchers/staff: 50K approx
Institutes: 114
Budget: $5.5B approx
NB. Approx half are based in Beijing. Also 70% of commercial income goes to the R&D team involved

National Science Foundation (USA)
Researchers/staff: N/A
Institutes: 10K projects funded per year
Budget: $7B approx

Note that in terms of funding per researcher and the number of researchers per institute - Germany and China are operating in the same range.

So if China with (16x the population) were to scale to German levels - that would be approx 400K researchers in 1000 dedicated research institutes costing $40billion per year.

But my feeling is that China should use some of that money to go with the NSF model of evaluating and funding proposals no matter where they come from - as China is simply much bigger and this model would support more speculative breakthrough technologies.

Plus it would be better to spread R&D spending to some of the poorer interior anyway - as research costs are lower than in the coastal areas which dominate R&D spend. This will also help the poorer interior catch up in terms of income levels.

Chengdu, Xi'An, Zhengzhou, Changsha, Nanchang and Kunming immediately come to mind as very large cities in the interior provinces - which have the necessary local industries and educational output to sustain clusters of cutting edge research institutes.

I do wonder if this sort of vision has already been articulated by CAS or NRDC in China.

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Then again, in the past year we've seen 10+ new technology startups emerge in China in the vehicle space - as we're on the cusp of 3 disruptive technologies in the form of electric power / driverless control / always on connectivity.

These companies have already raised over $6billion from existing technology billionaires and VC firms -plus have a domestic market which is the world's largest and has way more practical demand and government support for this change to happen.

Eg.
Electric vehicles should reduce city pollution levels dramatically and be cheaper to run as well
The early introduction of *imperfect* driverless vehicles will still have a huge net benefit because of the current very high level of road accidents. Plus driverless cars will be a huge productivity booster because drivers can do something else and there is an acute shortage of parking space in apartment blocks and in the cities. And if those cars are connected, that opens up a host of economic opportunities.

With this tech, China can use this to springboard car sales globally.

First posted by Zzabur China supersize Science.
Excellent presentation watch the radio telescope video Breathtaking


China's Science Revolution
by Rebecca Morelle
23 May 2016

China is super-sizing science.

From building the biggest experiments the world has ever seen to rolling out the latest medical advances on a massive scale and pushing the boundaries of exploration from the deepest ocean to outer space - China’s scientific ambitions are immense.

Just a few decades ago the nation barely featured in the world science rankings. Now, in terms of research spending and the number of scientific papers published, it stands only behind the US.

But despite this rapid progress, China faces a number of challenges.

Here are five key science projects that illustrate its enormous strengths, as well as some of its weaknesses, and may help answer the question whether China can become a global leader in research.

SamuraiBlue said:

Korea was still recovering from the currency crisis of 1997 at that time(2000) so I don't think it would be a balanced comparison.

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well at that time (2000), so many Korean brands already bettr than Japanese brands ... so what is your points ? google it my friend

China-developed the world's first ‪‎quantum ‪satellite ready to be launched this July

unless the USA, EU or even Japan would launch before July 2016, this would be the first

Impressive achievement ... quantum communication is extremely hard to crack, almost impossible

Xinhua. Updated: 2016-05-21 08:50


NANJING - China is developing 5G technology and expects to debut mature 5G standards by 2020, according to a senior mobile communications expert.

"China has always attached great importance to participating in the formulation of international standards, and will hopefully play a leading and central role in making 5G standards," You Xiaohu, head of the Nanjing-based National Mobile Communications Research Laboratory, told Xinhua on Thursday.

China started research on 5G technology in 2013, and will probably complete a first version of its 5G standards by 2018, You said, adding the standards will become more mature over time.

5G technology will raise network speeds by 1,000 times and bring virtual reality, holographic images and other new experiences to people's lives, You said.

Nature Magazine excerpt on Chinese R&D. Note that this only covers the period to 2014, so since then, I would expect at least another 20% increase in Chinese output if they were to measure the situation for this April 2016.

The rapid rise of a research nation
China's economic boom is mirrored by its similarly meteoric rise in high-quality science.

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The Nature Index shows China is already a high-quality scientific powerhouse. Since the first Nature Index database started in 2012, China's total contribution has risen to become the second largest in the world, surpassed only by the United States.
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But, what sets China apart is the rapid growth of its WFC. While China's contribution grew 37% from 2012 to 2014, the United States saw a 4% drop over the same period.
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antiterror13 said:

well at that time (2000), so many Korean brands already bettr than Japanese brands ... so what is your points ? google it my friend

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A footnote,
All TV sets that my family bought before the LCD boom (early 2000s) were Japanese brands (CRT), 4 Sony, 1 Panasonic, 1 Hitachi (I am not proud of it but have to make the point). The latest one is a LG LCD made in China. I am sure when it is time for me to replace my current TV it won't be made in Japan not because of nationalism but simply for getting the best for my money as my old fetish of Sony.