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Spartan95

Junior Member
We will no doubt try out techniques on the moon while collecting more information about Mars.

Yep. The moon is essentially a stepping stone to Mars. And beyond.

The travel time is mainly important for the chance of being hit by a solar storm. We need to have some way of predicting these and make the travel time short. The conventional rocket with a travel time of nine months must be quite unacceptable.

Breakthroughs in rocket technology will be required to shorten the travel time. Not sure how much effort and resources is being devoted to this area in R&D though.

Btw some cosmonauts were able to walk immediately after landing even after many months in Mir. But they had to work hard during their time in space to keep their muscles and bones in condition.

Unfortunately, astronauts will likely need to wear a space suit on Mars after they land since the atmosphere is not exactly habitable (the harsh sun can be avoided by landing on the dark side). And that is likely to pose quite a challenge after spending months in space.

This issue can conceivably be mitigated through the use of exoskeletons though. Perhaps an Iron Man-type space suit of the future?

With all the work to be done to prepare for establishing the first base on Mars we'll have plenty of time to think about financing.

I half suspect that the cost of financing a moon base will actually turn countries off financing a base on Mars. But, let's see how this turns out in the decades ahead.
 

delft

Brigadier
"Breakthroughs in rocket technology will be required to shorten the travel time. Not sure how much effort and resources is being devoted to this area in R&D though. "
Experiments in space are being undertaken with solar sails and electric rockets that might be powered by solar cells, but are likely to use nuclear power when used to travel to Mars.
 

Spartan95

Junior Member
Experiments in space are being undertaken with solar sails and electric rockets that might be powered by solar cells, but are likely to use nuclear power when used to travel to Mars.

Solar sails are well and good for long distance inter-stellar travel where duration isn't a particularly important aspect. I don't see it as a likely form of travel for manned missions though. The acceleration simply isn't there, and the solar sail itself can be damaged easily by inter-stellar debris (micro meteorites and what not).

Nuclear power is interesting. But how to harness nuclear energy for generating thrust in space? If this can be done, than the issue of propellant would have been effectively removed.
 

delft

Brigadier
Solar sails are well and good for long distance inter-stellar travel where duration isn't a particularly important aspect. I don't see it as a likely form of travel for manned missions though. The acceleration simply isn't there, and the solar sail itself can be damaged easily by inter-stellar debris (micro meteorites and what not).

Nuclear power is interesting. But how to harness nuclear energy for generating thrust in space? If this can be done, than the issue of propellant would have been effectively removed.

The interstellar solar sail needs to be blasted out of our solar system using a great big laser cannon. The original solar sail, as proposed by Tsiolkovski a century ago uses the light of the sun to accelerate the space ship. The sun light is about a thousand times as strong as the solar wind. R. Forward is probably the American who has published most about these but I remember him writing that many of his ideas he published around 1970 had already been published in provincial Russian papers in the '50's and '60's.
Using a typical solar sail it is possible for a space ship to reach Mars from the Earth, presumably starting from a high orbit outside the Van Allen belts, in about 200 days, while a chemical rocket needs some 300 days. Of course the sails of a size of several square kilometer will be punctured by millions of micrometeorites, but it will take years before the damage causes a significant loss of acceleration. The acceleration is, if I remember rightly, I should look it up, but it is too late at night for me to do so now, around a cm per second squared. Remember that the solar light is reflected so that the resulting force is in the direction of movement of the ship, not directly away from the sun.
A space ship with electrical propulsion will exhaust ions at a speed of scores or hundreds of km per second, using the power from huge solar cell wings or, I think more likely, nuclear power. This gives a somewhat higher acceleration resulting in a travel time to Mars of about 100 days.
 

Spartan95

Junior Member
The interstellar solar sail needs to be blasted out of our solar system using a great big laser cannon. The original solar sail, as proposed by Tsiolkovski a century ago uses the light of the sun to accelerate the space ship. The sun light is about a thousand times as strong as the solar wind. R. Forward is probably the American who has published most about these but I remember him writing that many of his ideas he published around 1970 had already been published in provincial Russian papers in the '50's and '60's.
Using a typical solar sail it is possible for a space ship to reach Mars from the Earth, presumably starting from a high orbit outside the Van Allen belts, in about 200 days, while a chemical rocket needs some 300 days. Of course the sails of a size of several square kilometer will be punctured by millions of micrometeorites, but it will take years before the damage causes a significant loss of acceleration. The acceleration is, if I remember rightly, I should look it up, but it is too late at night for me to do so now, around a cm per second squared. Remember that the solar light is reflected so that the resulting force is in the direction of movement of the ship, not directly away from the sun.
A space ship with electrical propulsion will exhaust ions at a speed of scores or hundreds of km per second, using the power from huge solar cell wings or, I think more likely, nuclear power. This gives a somewhat higher acceleration resulting in a travel time to Mars of about 100 days.

Interesting potential for the solar sail for trips that are not heading towards the Sun. Which still leaves the issue of getting back to earth from Mars to be solved.
 

delft

Brigadier
Interesting potential for the solar sail for trips that are not heading towards the Sun. Which still leaves the issue of getting back to earth from Mars to be solved.
Not at all. You just trim the sail to push you the other way, accelerating at the distance of Mars where the strength of the sun light is half of that near Earth with about half the acceleration. I just read about these matters and didn't calculate anything. But I remember reading that it might be possible to first decelerate when leaving Earth orbit and then accelerate while nearer the sun, thus reducing flight time when the position of Mars vis-a-vis the Earth is not ideal.
 

Martian

Senior Member
Long March 5 prototype assembly

This is the CZ5 (or Long March 5) heavy-lift rocket. It has a modular design. [Teddy's comment]

The Long March V prototype is being assembled.

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[Note: Thank you to "Qwerrty" for the post.]
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
China launch new communication satellite

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XICHANG, Sichuan - China successfully launched a new communication satellite, the Zhongxing-10, from its Xichang Satellite Launch Center in Southwest China's Sichuan province on early Tuesday.

The satellite, carried by a Long March-3B rocket carrier, blasted off from the center at 0:13 am, said a statement from the center.

According to statistics from the control center, the satellite successfully separated from its carrier rocket and entered Earth's orbit as scheduled, 26 minutes after being launched.

The Zhongxing-10 was designed and manufactured by the China Academy of Space Technology under the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation.

The satellite will provide communication, broadcasting and data transmission services for users in China and the Asia-Pacific region. It will replace the Zhongxing-5B satellite, which was launched in 1998.

The launch was the 138th mission for the Long March carrier rocket series
 

Martian

Senior Member
Chang'e 2 To Lay Groundwork For Mars Missions

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SOARING SUCCESS: Technicians assembling Chang'e-II at the Xichang Satellite Launch Centre prior to October 1, 2010 launch. (Photo: Xinhua)

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"Chang'e 2 To Lay Groundwork For Mars Missions
By Bradley Perrett
Beijing
Jun 13, 2011

Smashed to smithereens, a return to Earth orbit for retirement, or a voyage into deep space—those are the alternative fates that have awaited the Chinese lunar probe Chang’e 2 since its launch last October.

Now the decision has been made: Chang’e 2 will go to the second Sun-Earth Lagrangian point this month, laying the groundwork for Martian missions.

The opportunity to send Chang’e 2 far from Earth has resulted from the good condition of the spacecraft as it approaches the end of its lunar observation mission, says the China Academy of Sciences.

“We made this choice because the instruments aboard Chang’e 2 are normal, the spacecraft’s remaining life is still long and its remaining fuel is fairly plentiful, enough to support a future mission,” says an official of the academy.

Lagrangian points are positions that remain constant relative to two other bodies in an orbital system. The second Lagrangian point (L2) of the Sun and the Earth is in line with the two but 1.5 million km (932,000 mi.) farther out. “The second Lagrangian point is relatively ideal, because interference from solar radiation there is relatively low,” says the official, quoted in a People’s Daily report that can be taken as a government announcement.

Program managers considered three options for Chang’e 2 after its lunar mission: crashing it into the Moon, as they did with its predecessor, Chang’e 1; bringing it back to an orbit around the Earth; or sending it into the Solar System beyond the Moon’s orbit.

They have chosen the third but limited themselves to L2 as a destination because, they say, their deep-space tracking capability is not good enough to send the spacecraft farther. Even so, the additional mission will help prepare for missions to Mars, says the People’s Daily.

In fact, going farther into the Solar System has always been a function of Chang’e 2. The chief designer of the lunar program, Wu Weiren, said after the Oct. 1, 2010, launch of Chang’e 2 that the mission would demonstrate telemetry, tracking and control technology that could be used for missions to study Mars and Venus. For those more distant missions, only larger antennas would be needed, because other facilities were already being built, he said.

Chang’e 2 will conduct unspecified observations and experiments at L2. To get there, it might have to miss a total eclipse of the Moon on June 15 (GMT), the academy says. The trip will take 2-3 months.

It will not be the first spacecraft to go to L2. NASA’s Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, among others, is already there.

Chang’e 2, based on the CAST DFH-3 satellite bus, has operated for more than 200 days. Program officials are wrapping up the lunar observation phase, which should be completed by mid-June. Imagery data has all been transmitted back to Earth, where scientists and technicians are assembling it and making three-dimensional images. The academy says that with this data it will be able to publish the most precise complete set of images of the Moon by the end of the year. Resolution will be 7 meters (23 ft.).

The probe is named after a legendary goddess who traveled to the Moon. “Chang” is pronounced as “chahng” and “e” as in “her.”

Meanwhile, China has renewed its polar-orbiting weather satellite group with the in-orbit delivery of Fengyun 3B alongside Fengyun 3A, halving the country’s global observation interval to 6 hr.

Fengyun 3B was subject to half a year of in-orbit checkouts after its Nov. 5 launch. With all systems functioning properly, it was handed over to the national weather bureau on May 26, says national space contractor China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp.(CASC). Tests showed the satellite exceeding the performance of Fengyun 3A, CASC says, without giving details.

The Fengyun 3 program was the largest civil space project of China’s 10th five-year plan, for 2001-05, says the manufacturer. The designed image resolution has been stated as 250 meters and the altitude variously as 870 or 890 km.

This is China’s second series of polar-orbiting weather satellites. The first, the Fengyun 1 series, comprised four spacecraft launched in 1988-2002. The third unit in that series, Fengyun 1C, was destroyed in an anti-satellite missile test in 2007."
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
They say China is no good when it come to innovation. Forgetting that China close the University up to 1990 when they again restart the under graduate program.
Whole generation was lost

I for one never believe this condescending attitude of the so called advanced economy. Given good ecosystem of large mass of good University, Technical institution, enough capital backing and entrepreneurship spirit sooner or latter China will start to innovate on their own

Fail whale, meet the Chinese dragon
By Dominic Basulto
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A man walks past the dragon head of a ferry boat during the dragon boat festival held at the Longtan park in Beijing, China, Monday, June 6, 2011. (Ng Han Guan - AP)

At first glance, Twitter would appear to have everything a hot Internet company needs to take advantage of the frothy tech market right now – near-universal name-recognition amongst Internet users, close to 200 million users worldwide, and a “halo effect” earned by helping to launch democratic revolutions around the world. What the company still doesn’t have, however, is a way to make money. Five years after launching, Twitter is still searching for a business model: the latest idea is inserting “promoted tweets” (in other words, annoying advertisements) into your Twitter stream – a move that’s all but certain to get pushback from its most rabid followers.

Contrast that with what’s happening in China, where China’s Twitter equivalent – Sina Weibo, seems to have figured things out. Weibo is by far the most popular micro-blogging service in China, with nearly 90% of the market. Young Internet users (the type of user that Twitter has trouble attracting) and celebrities alike embrace the service. Perhaps more importantly, at a time when the Chinese government cracks down on Twitter usage, it condones Weibo. As a result, by the end of the year, the total user base of Weibo may surpass the total number of Twitter users – and that’s despite the fact that Weibo launched in 2009, well after Twitter.

Far from being a Twitter copycat, Weibo has emerged as a force to be reckoned with, continually innovating according to the needs of its users. Chinese Web enthusiasts claim Weibo is now a superior Twitter alternative – with functionality like being able to embed multimedia content like videos within tweets; create and follow threaded conversations; and interact with mini-groups – that combines elements of blogging and Facebook. As a result, the user base of Weibo (including both celebrities and the youngest Internet users) has skyrocketed in size and its parent company (something Twitter lacks), the Chinese portal Sina.com, is rumored to be close to an IPO for Weibo – the type of market exit strategy that has thus far eluded the Twitter team.

All of this raises the inevitable question: Is it possible that the “Chinese Internet copycats” have actually caught up with their Western competitors and out-innovated them? Should we really be referring to Twitter as “the Weibo of America?” Most likely, we’re close to reaching a tipping point in the history of the Internet. The Twitter fail whale - the cute little image that pops up whenever Twitter is over-capacity - may become a symbol for something else: the failure of Western Internet firms to vanquish the Chinese dragon.
 
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