News on China's scientific and technological development.

And China is a major customer for semiconductors. The US suffers from not being able to make money from China. No money, no research and development. Just look at Tiktok. It's beating its US rivals. That means Americans are losing their edge on innovation. The more they look down at Chinese for innovation, because of TikTok the more it says how Americans aren't as innovative. Asians faced a glass ceiling in Silicon Valley and many went to Shenzhen and found success even beating the US. Once the darlings of Silicon Valley and Western technology, now the founders of these new US tech companies are facing scrutiny at home. They say it's because they're young and immature still living the life of frat boys in college. And it's that clique-based high school and college culture of arrogance that makes them slip in the real world. They can literally point to the movie Wall Street that caused this major shift where American students wanted to learn the sciences and engineering to instead finances because they wanted to live the lifestyles of Wall Street depicted in that movie. That only shows the US future in science and engineering is only going down not up. Now they're losing money from not selling to China.

i wouldn't say 1 example of TikTok means US is losing on innovation, its just mean China start showing tech progress. US still have alot dominated industry, furthermore, most commercial tech company have alot Asian. CEO of AMD/nividia and other are all immigrate or/and asian. The fact is most forum member here are living in western world, which provide economy/tech benefit to the west not china. Also dont forget EU/Japan/SK are still ally of US. how fast china can catch up, depend on talent and $$. How china can attract talent from taiwan/sk/japan/US for their experience/knowledge, and also invest its own domestic talent and entice them to work in China, will be crucial if china want to have its own dominated tech industry. going to silicon valley its basically mini asian country, alot indian/chinese/other nationals.

Think about it this way, if China caught up with all US technologies, China would have a $50k per capita GDP.

When US had $10k/capita GDP, it was 1977, and that was when dollar was worth more.

China's (And other colored folks') development is just beginning.

Aperture05 said:

By now Intel's 14nm would be about half as dense as TSMC's 10nm. Every single iteration of 14 have seen Intel relax the gate size.

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Again, density isn’t the metric that determines the most performance gains. The size of the transistor elements themselves determines most of the per element efficiency and speed gains. There’s only so much extra performance you can wring out by refining the transistor elements themselves at a particular node size.

latenlazy said:

Again, density isn’t the metric that determines the most performance gains. The size of the transistor elements themselves determines most of the per element efficiency and speed gains. There’s only so much extra performance you can wring out by refining the transistor elements themselves at a particular node size.

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Didn't say that it was. Gate pitch also determines on the specific application, sometimes you want leakier transistors.

Aperture05 said:

Didn't say that it was. Gate pitch also determines on the specific application, sometimes you want leakier transistors.

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Yeah, fair comment. I guess I’m maybe misunderstanding your point. Sorry.

s002wjh said:

i wouldn't say 1 example of TikTok means US is losing on innovation, its just mean China start showing tech progress. US still have alot dominated industry, furthermore, most commercial tech company have alot Asian. CEO of AMD/nividia and other are all immigrate or/and asian. The fact is most forum member here are living in western world, which provide economy/tech benefit to the west not china. Also dont forget EU/Japan/SK are still ally of US. how fast china can catch up, depend on talent and $$. How china can attract talent from taiwan/sk/japan/US for their experience/knowledge, and also invest its own domestic talent and entice them to work in China, will be crucial if china want to have its own dominated tech industry. going to silicon valley its basically mini asian country, alot indian/chinese/other nationals.

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Well I'm not of the thinking how because China is in 2nd place they failed and should give up. It's like those that tell China it took decades for the US to master operating aircraft carriers meaning China should just give up on having aircraft carriers. It has to start at some time. I didn't say China won beating all of the US just because of Tiktok. It's the US that saw China as not a threat. TikTok shows how they were wrong hence why Americans never admit they were wrong because to admit they were wrong means they could be wrong in the future and no one will just blindly listen to them because they claim they're always right. Why doesn't Europe or Japan or South Korea have their own social media companies? Why don't they have their own Silicon Valley? They should've had one before China. They don't because they listen to the US while China doesn't. Some people will resort to think TikTok is just a fluke. Just like DJI is not a fluke and they're looking to stop DJI too. It's competitors can't compete with DJI's innovation. Even French rival Parrot has to resort to using questioning DJI security in their advertising to scare away customers from DJI because their innovation can't beat DJIs. That's called having no innovation.

So TikTok is not for sale after all.

TikTok is not for sale, Oracle will become trusted technology provider in big reversal

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It's a most clever play by China / TikTok. Basically as I understand it:

TikTok US data will be hosted on Oracle's cloud which is in the US. Thus the data is in US in trusted US company hand.
Oracle gets some TikTok share, but ByteDance still retain majority ownership

Thus if Trump turns this down then banning TikTok is completely unrelated to national security, since the proposed cooperation resolves that issue. But accepting the deal makes him look weak on China.

Oracle's boss is big donor to Trump, so there maybe some under the table dealing involved too. If Trump accepts it opens the door to further horse trading.

emblem21 said:

I find the USA ability to sanction and do all these dirty dealings to get at China to be utterly annoying. At times like this, it honestly would be good if the San Andreas fault and yellow stone volcano go off at the same time to be honest, if only because that is the one thing that the USA cannot sanction

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be careful what you wish for