i'm not sure how Huawei can exactly advance to 7nm in just 3 years, if it were that easy, multiple company were already done that by now. TSMC/Samsung spend billions and decade of accumulated experience/knowledge to achieve what it is today, both rely on US equipments. Intel cant even get 10nm to work properly, and they been doing chip fab for many years. so lets be realistic, Huawei need much more time just to catch up todays samsung. Also China need to produce equipment similar to applied material/lam research, there is whole set of supply chain in chip making, Huawei can't do that alone, it need other companies help. However, Moore laws is dead, 3nm is about the size limit, anything below that have diminish return.Just a comment though, SK is not conspiring with others to attack China, rather for now it,'s complying with BIS rules. As things progress, all sides will adjust accordingly. SK can't afford to anger China. Even if Huawei can't make or get high-end chips for smartphones it will just take a pause for 1-2 years, and within that time frame China (SMEE etc) will have advanced to produce own 7nm chips..1-2-3 yrs are just short period of time for China
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Trump may be dumb. But people in the state department, pentagon are not. America is playing the long game too, and wants to slowly isolate, and decouple the Chinese economy.
It will damage the US economy, but it’s betting that it will hurt China more, and the US economy is more dynamic.
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it doesn't say anywhere in that article regarding a EDA tool for 7nm chips tho. where are you basing this info off of?
Several articles have mentioned the ability to do 7nm using 28nm resolution litho machine, and also members here have said similar things:
"The speed of lithograph procurement is a key signal of capital expenditure of the inner asset line. The inner asset line generally prioritizes the purchase of the value and the most technically difficult lithograph. From the yangtze River Storage, Huali micro, Huahong Wuxi, SMIC Shaoxing and Zhuzhou Zhongcar lithograph machine procurement situation, each production line 19Q4 to date the total optical machine procurement volume is considerable, foreshadowing its asset line capital expenditure in 2020 will be further enhanced.
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"Although this 28nm photolithography machine is still a big gap with ASML’s current state-of-the-art 5nm EUV lithograph, it is of great significance to China’s semiconductor industry and Shanghai microelectronics itself, and even supports 7nm chips through multiple exposures.
As to ppl, there should be enough, considering that SMIC has its own N+1, N+2 tech, which they say could equal 7nm.?
there are alot article about this or that. does any company use 28nm litho to produce 7nm yet? SMIC is not equal huawei, SMIC currently have access to fab equipment from US and have Years of know how. Huawei start from zero and CANNOT use equipment from applied material or any foreign company. if Huawei is able to produce 14nm in 5 yrs, thatll be consider very successful, however without access for foreign supply chain its gonna be tough, unless entire domestic supply chain can support Huawei, and have equipment capable to produce 14/7nm.
Hendrik_2000
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That is not true Huawei has been supporting TSMC and Samsung semi with their knowledge of semiconductor process After all they are the chip designer and know inside out of the chip design process Just like any design company They know what kind of process is needed to bring the chip into production
The FAB translating those design requirement into finish product So I won't say Huawei does not know anything
Chinese equipment manufacture has most of equipment to manufacture chip save for Lithography and that is the ONLY bottleneck Company like Naura, SMEE, They are up to world standard I already post article about it .
Here Richard Chang comment
"There are places where China is very strong, such as packaging and testing. As far as equipment is concerned, we are lagging behind at optical technology. If we look specifically at the materials, manufacturing, design, etc. of three generations of semiconductors, the gap we have on materials, I personally don't think it's very big."
"To consider the talent base in a short period of time, this is one of our weaknesses, the foundation may be done, but there is a gap between the foundation and the application, how to shorten it? European and American companies are doing a little better, so we borrow their strengths to learn from them."
In 2009, Chang left the SMIC to pursue other interests. Now he is the founder and chairman of SiEn (Qingdao) Integrated Circuit Co.,Ltd.
So save your breath China has again and again confounded skeptic like you
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Just to remind again, it was mentioned China imports $300B/yr on semi products (chips,drams etc), right? And that it wants to be 70% self-sufficient by 2025(?)
SK companies made the right decision by complying with BIS rules, because then they will do workaround by using non-US lines,,as has been stated:
"South Korea's exports to China double these of the U.S., and Samsung has already set up a 7-nanometer chip production line with only Japanese and European equipment while hailing these sanctions on chip sales to Huawei as unacceptable."
Same with Tokyo Electron, they also want to do business with China, knowing domestic companies in China are improving rapidly, so biz is biz..
SK companies made the right decision by complying with BIS rules, because then they will do workaround by using non-US lines,,as has been stated:
"South Korea's exports to China double these of the U.S., and Samsung has already set up a 7-nanometer chip production line with only Japanese and European equipment while hailing these sanctions on chip sales to Huawei as unacceptable."
Same with Tokyo Electron, they also want to do business with China, knowing domestic companies in China are improving rapidly, so biz is biz..
AssassinsMace
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Yes, in contradiction to Trump and all his supporters who said China would collapse day one of his trade war. Plenty of dummies in the state department and Pentagon too. If we went by their assessments, the J-20 would still not exist today.
Exactly. Agree completely with your sentiments.
After all, this is a Chinese forum, talking about a Chinese topic.
What happens below the surface of the water is far more important than what is happening above it.