News on China's scientific and technological development.

hi hullopilllw,

Its a little bit disheartening,still a long way to go,and reading the article, DRAM & NAND memory chips are some of the easiest integrated circuits to produce, the “low end of semiconductor technology and China still are having difficulties. The positive thing is we develop the chip and from there we can steadily improve it. It may take some time and hard work to be at par with the best.

gadgetcool5 said:

This is a disaster, we need a Chinese presence in Australia. Hopefully things can cool down or at least stabilize.

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A sizable Chinese population from China do exist in Australia. Add That with ethnic Chinese from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam, these Chinese do have some influence in economic and politics. Interestingly Indonesia Chinese have Indonesian names and mainly speak Indonesian among themselves. But the new generation 'Chinese' (Australian born) from all these countries communicate in English with each other.

"The sky is falling and the only answer to stop it is surrendering to the US."

When China mainstreams domestic technology, that will be the end of Western supremacy. That's why "losing" Australia is portrayed as being that devastating to China. Gotta stop China now or it's over for the West's domination of the world is what's really the worry.

ansy1968 said:

Its a little bit disheartening,still a long way to go,and reading the article, DRAM & NAND memory chips are some of the easiest integrated circuits to produce, the “low end of semiconductor technology and China still are having difficulties. The positive thing is we develop the chip and from there we can steadily improve it. It may take some time and hard work to be at par with the best.

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What they have is not bad for now, and true there is a ways to go. But remember how far behind China was in jet fighters -- and now the J-20 is possibly the best in the world (when the WS-15 engines are available). Also, China has the resources to advance on a broad front just about everywhere at the same time. So in a year or two, things will be very different in DRAMs, and in NAND flash, and in CPUs, and in 7 nm lithography, and so on.

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Nutrient said:

What they have is not bad for now, and true there is a ways to go. But remember how far behind China was in jet fighters -- and now the J-20 is possibly the best in the world (when the WS-15 engines are available). Also, China has the resources to advance on a broad front just about everywhere at the same time. So in a year or two, things will be very different in DRAMs, and in NAND flash, and in CPUs, and in 7 nm lithography, and so on.

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Hi Nutrient,

Im just overwhelmed by the magnitude that China need to overcome. Yup hopefully within 2 years, but from what Im seeing it may take 5 years, at least China will become self sufficient.

ansy1968 said:

Im just overwhelmed by the magnitude that China need to overcome. Yup hopefully within 2 years, but from what Im seeing it may take 5 years, at least China will become self sufficient.

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I think two or five years will be fine; it'll be long enough for China to reach the leading edge nearly everywhere. Please allow me to say it again: China has the resoures -- in finance and in manpower -- to progress nearly everywhere at the same time. Chances are, if Trump is re-elected, he will have plenty of time to suffer for his anti-China sanctions.

ansy1968 said:

Hi Nutrient,

Im just overwhelmed by the magnitude that China need to overcome. Yup hopefully within 2 years, but from what Im seeing it may take 5 years, at least China will become self sufficient.

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It's a big task, but look at the R&D indicators below from the National Science Foundation.

China is closing gap with United States on research spending
The United States is no longer the ‘uncontested leader’ in science globally, the National Science Foundation says.

Preliminary data from 2019 suggest that China has already surpassed the United States in R&D spending, said Julia Philips, chair of the National Science Board’s science and engineering policy committee, during a press briefing.

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AndrewS said:

It's a big task, but look at the R&D indicators below from the National Science Foundation.

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Hi AndrewS,

The ship had sailed, there is no turning back for China tech self sufficiency. Trump arrogrant approach is the main culprit for the acceleration,his economic team led by Navarro and especially Robert Lighthizer think that they can do a JAPAN type agreement to curtail it.

Playing a devils advocate, the better way to maintain US tech supremacy is to cooperate with the Chinese, I know it may sound funny especially regarding the trust issue , but its better to keep your friend close and your enemy closer. Its cheaper to as you can share the talent and resource. Look at what goodwill and prestige it will contribute to American and its company in China the biggest market, its a win win situation, one can only hope.

AndrewS said:

It's a big task, but look at the R&D indicators below from the National Science Foundation.

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Is there more recent stat on this? 2020