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the 2016-2020 5 year plan is focus on domestic production of 7nm and DUV, How about the EUV project? It may need a different set of materials and production process to operate?
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the 2016-2020 5 year plan is focus on domestic production of 7nm and DUV, How about the EUV project? It may need a different set of materials and production process to operate?
China must absolutely have the capability of producing anything that is worth producing domestically. Every single foreign country is susceptible to American pressure in some way, and there is absolutely not a single Western country, South Korea, or Japan that isn't considerably so. Against their economic interests they might go along with US strategy to contain China.
The potential of Phytium CPU
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This Chinese CPU designer has grandiose plans: 128 cores, 7nm and 5nm incoming
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Phytium roadmap includes CPUs for desktops, embedded, and servers
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Chinese microprocessor designer Phytium, which recently introduced its new 64-core processor for servers, this week disclosed its ambitious roadmap that spans till 2022. The company intends to expand its product lineup and the list of its production partners.
Phytium was originally established as a designer of server and HPC processors as China could not obtain modern CPUs from AMD and Intel due to export restrictions on high-performance parts. Throughout its history, the company also designed processors for client PCs, but those were byproducts of its server business.
However going forward, multi-core server processors will remain the Phytium’s primary objective, but the company also plans to release new lineups of SoCs for desktop and embedded applications that will be presumably made by SMIC or UMC.
Servers
Phytium’s latest 64-core FT-2000+/64 and Tengyun S2500 processors are made by TSMC using its 16nm process technology, to a large degree because leading-edge production capacities at the world’s largest maker of semiconductors are reserved years ahead by giant customers like Apple.
In the next couple of years Phytium will finally adopt TSMC’s sophisticated 7nm and 5nm nodes. Sometime in Q3 2021 the company intends to release its Tengyun S5000 CPU that will be made using TSMC’s 7nm technology and will support Phytium’s PSPA 1.0 security technology.
By late 2022 the chip developer intends to launch its Tengyun S6000 processor that will be fabbed at TSMC’s 5nm node and will ‘double’ performance.
Pythium does not disclose exact core counts it is looking at for its next-generation CPUs, but it is safe to say that more advanced process technologies will enable the company to boost per-core performance of its chips as well as increase its core count to at least 128 cores.
Desktops
By the end of this year Phytium will reveal its Tengrui D2000 processor that is projected to double single-core performance compared to previous-generation offerings, the company said, but did elaborate which previous-gen CPU was used for comparison.
The subsequent generation — the Tengrui D3000 — is planned to be released by the end of 2021. The new Tengrui D-series processors will also support PSPA 1.0 and PSPA 2.0 technologies. Both CPUs will be made using a 14nm process technology
Embedded
In addition to desktop-oriented Tengrui D-series processors, Phytium plans to launch Tengrui E-series CPUs for embedded applications. The Tengrui E2000 chips will be released in Q2 2021, whereas more advanced Tengrui E3000 with improved I/O capabilities will be unveiled in Q3 2022. Just like their desktop counterparts, the E3000 will be made using a 14nm node.
SMIC or UMC?
Phytium has traditionally used TSMC’s manufacturing services, but with its Tengrui D and Tengrui E-series the company plans to use a 14nm process technology. TSMC does not offer a 14nm process, but its rivals SMIC and UMC do.
SMIC is based in China and only started production using its 14nm technology in Q4 2019. Right now, the company is ramping up its 14nm production as well as building up capacity. Given the fact that Phytium is a China-based company, it makes sense for it to use SMIC’s services. Meanwhile, SMIC’s experience with high volume production (HVM) of 14nm chips is limited to 15,000 300-mm wafers at best so far.
UMC started to offer its 14nm technology to clients a couple of years ago, but its production volumes have never been sizeable. To that end, UMC’s experience with 14nm HVM is also limited.
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This is in my opinion a very good article from the Wall Street Journal
OPINION COMMENTARY
What China Learned From Cold War America
After the Sputnik launch, the U.S. invested billions in science and innovation. Beijing is trying to follow that example now.
By David P. Goldman
July 24, 2020 3:17 pm ET
China thinks that power is the arbiter of world affairs, and that technology is power. That’s something it learned from Ronald Reagan. He won the Cold War with a military buildup that catalyzed an economic revolution. Military research and development produced countless inventions of the Digital Age, from fast and cheap microchips to the internet. The Soviet Union folded in the face of America’s superior arms and entrepreneurial growth. China watched and learned.
It’s fashionable to talk of a “new Cold War” and China as another Soviet Union. It’s nothing of the sort. We face a strategic rival that wants to play America’s winning hand in the Cold War, through massive support for dual-use technologies, guided by a Communist legislature that includes more than 100 billionaires. And this strategy is hardly a secret; Huawei’s plan to seize the control points of the Fourth Industrial Revolution is promulgated in streaming video on the company’s website.
China already leads in 5G broadband, building three times as many network towers as America on a per capita basis. Americans tend to think of broadband as a consumer technology and 5G as a faster way to download videos. China views 5G as the enabler of a Fourth Industrial Revolution, just as railroads launched the First Industrial Revolution. (The second and third were powered by electricity and computing, respectively.) Made possible by 5G are game-changing technologies like self-programming industrial robots, remote robotic surgery, autonomous vehicles, and smartphones that do medical diagnostics and upload data to the cloud in real time—not to mention deadly drone swarms and other military applications.
China has become the world leader in artificial intelligence, not because its computer scientists are smarter than Microsoft’s , but because China has a huge advantage in data—the fuel that powers the AI engine. In medical technology, which may become the biggest growth industry of the 21st century, it commands a vast database of digitized patient medical histories and DNA. Soon it will have real-time readings on the vital signs of hundreds of millions of its own people, and, if Huawei’s plans mature, hundreds of millions of people outside China as well.
Meanwhile the U.S. now spends 0.6% of gross domestic product on federal support for R&D, compared with 1.2% under Reagan. Washington is falling behind because it abandoned the defense driver for innovation that won the Cold War. The digital age would still be struggling to be born were it not for America’s tech companies, but for the past 20 years they’ve shifted to capital-light software, letting Asia make the hardware. China subsidizes capital-intensive industry the way the U.S. subsidizes stadiums. This shortsightedness now threatens America’s standing as the world’s leading military power and largest economy.
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There’s a world of difference between winning and making yourself feel better while losing. It’s time for the U.S. to face up to the magnitude of the Chinese challenge and abandon some self-consoling myths—such as the tired notion that China steals technology because it can’t innovate. China can innovate, and already it is ahead in 5G broadband, quantum cryptography and key applications of AI. Homegrown innovation, not intellectual property theft, should be America’s biggest tech worry.
Further, China’s banks won’t collapse anytime soon. Growing countries with a high national savings rate and a current-account surplus don’t have unmanageable financial crises. China’s economy will show positive growth this year while U.S. and European economies shrink.
Restricting China’s access to technology—for example, computer chips built by foreign foundries using American equipment—will slow China only temporarily. Huawei may not be able to fabricate chips in Taiwan, but it can hire anyone who’ll work for it, and about 10% of Taiwan’s chip engineers are now working in mainland China to build up Beijing’s domestic semiconductor industry. The U.S. still leads in chip-making equipment, but American machines are neither indispensable nor the most advanced in the key area of lithography.
Placing tariffs on Chinese exports to the U.S. hasn’t hurt China much, either. Total Chinese exports to the U.S. now amount to less than 3% of Chinese GDP. Exports have fallen to 18% of China’s GDP, from a 2006 high of 36%, as domestic consumption has risen. In fact, per capita domestic consumption has risen ninefold in the past 30 years.
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Financial sanctions against China have backfired. The Trump administration’s threat to kick Chinese companies off U.S. exchanges only threw them into Xi Jinping’s briar patch—that is, Hong Kong, where secondary listings have drawn tens of billions of dollars into the local market.
Denouncing human-rights abuses, like the brutal treatment of the Uighur minority in Xinjiang province, doesn’t impress Beijing. The Chinese empire has been exterminating what it sees as “unruly barbarians” on its borders for thousands of years, and it won’t change its methods now.
Whatever opprobrium China deserves for the Covid-19 pandemic, wagging fingers won’t get anyone anywhere. The U.S. needs to play offense, not defense. That means a return to the policies that won the Cold War and made American innovation the envy of the world: Reagan-era funding levels for basic research, Manhattan Project priority for critical technologies like quantum computing and missile defense, a national program for 5G build-out, and a science education program on the model of the post-Sputnik National Defense Education Act of 1958.
Staying ahead of China will take 10 years and a trillion dollars. America can’t do it by trying to chase Huawei out of foreign markets and scolding Chinese officials for repression in Hong Kong. We need the kind of visionary leadership that brought Americans to the moon in 1969 and took down Soviet communism 20 years later. We’ll get Beijing’s undivided attention when we can destroy Chinese carrier-killer missiles in flight, and when we can produce innovations that China can’t match.
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Mr. Goldman writes the Spengler column for Asia Times and is author of “You Will Be Assimilated: China’s Plan to Sino-Form the World.”
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The writer forgot to mention that the USA will bomb non subservient countries along the way to this greatness.
You know what this writer failed to mention?
The US responded to the Soviet Union's Sputnik by bankrolling the college education an entire generation of scientists and engineers.
Its not about spending more money on R&D. Its about massively educating an entire generation on STEM. Or two. Or three.
That is what China learned.
Its not about Huawei or any of that crap. Huawei is the result of such a policy, not the tool towards dominance itself. China's secret weapon is an entire generation or two, or three of STEM graduates, coupled to a national culture oriented towards science and engineering. The Communist Party and the Chinese government, as much as the business leaders, are STEM graduates with degrees.
The problem with the US, or more specifically with the Republican Party, is that such a thought would be considered absolutely heretical just as planets revolving around the sun was heretical to the Catholic Church.
Today, you can hardly afford a good college education without going into serious student debt. Coupled with a jobs market that makes you either cook in a McDonald's fryer or move boxes around in an Amazon warehouse, you're not going to be able to pay that student debt. So for these colleges, they bring in rich students from abroad that can pay full tuition. These students either stay in the US, which they contribute to the US economy, or they go back home, which they contribute to their homeland's economy.
Here's another problem with the US --- they have decided to politicize science. If the science doesn't match their confirmation bias, they won't believe in it. This is the root of the entire debacle with the coronavirus. They have created a new culture that is anti-science.
Looking at David Goldman, he too has not learned the real reason of China's rise, or what's happening in the USA. Throwing a trillion of printed money into R&D isn't going to help. You cannot have a wave of mega epic science projects that can leap frog the USA into a new age when your entire generation is centered around Beavis and Butthead. The more you keep attacking public and affordable education, the more you don't help it, the further you slide.
Oh he knows about Chinese history, doesn't he. What about that China's most renowned poet in the Tang Dynasty, Li Bai, is said to be a Moslem and a Turkic. Or that Zheng He is a Moslem. Or that the Silk Road enriched Chinese, Central Asians and Middle Eastern people all alike, or that Uighurs in particular often serve as a scholar class from the Tangs to the Qings. Or that the lineage of Tang emperors themselves have Turkish blood, or that the Tang Dynasty is often a mix of Chinese, Turkish and Middle Eastern culture.
If I remember, it was the Mongols that did the biggest massacres on the Turkic people. The Manchu did send the Qing armies to decimate the Mongols, historical payback to the genocidal extermination of the Jin, which were related or ancestral to the Manchus.
hi Tam
Great summary as always, 2 thumps up. Here are the proof of what you had said.
from cnTechPost
RISC-V processor designed by five Chinese university students successfully fabricated
2020-07-25 22:20:25 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Five undergraduates from the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences led the design of a 64-bit RISC-V processor that became their graduation project, according to .
The 64-bit RISC-V processor SoC, called "NutShell," was designed last year and is based on the 110nm process of Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC), the biggest chipmaker on the Chinese mainland.
The SoC has been successfully taped out and is capable of running Linux as well as UCAS-Core, an operating system they made themselves.
All five graduates will be attending graduate school at the Institute of Computing Technology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, "to participate in a more challenging project to develop a design for a high-performance chaotic multi-emission RISC-V processor core.”
"Processor chips are recognized as the crown jewel of the chip industry, with high design complexity and difficulty. There is a serious shortage of processor chip design talent in China, and it is an urgent challenge to accelerate the scale and speed of training of such talent," said Sun Ninghui, dean of the School of Computer Science and Technology at the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences and director of the Institute of Computing Technology at the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
In response to the processor design talent crisis, the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences launched the "One Life One Chip" program in August 2019, with the goal of training undergraduates to design processor chips and complete tape out with with solid theoretical and practical experience.
Great summary as always, 2 thumps up. Here are the proof of what you had said.
from cnTechPost
RISC-V processor designed by five Chinese university students successfully fabricated
2020-07-25 22:20:25 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
0
Five undergraduates from the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences led the design of a 64-bit RISC-V processor that became their graduation project, according to .
The 64-bit RISC-V processor SoC, called "NutShell," was designed last year and is based on the 110nm process of Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC), the biggest chipmaker on the Chinese mainland.
The SoC has been successfully taped out and is capable of running Linux as well as UCAS-Core, an operating system they made themselves.
All five graduates will be attending graduate school at the Institute of Computing Technology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, "to participate in a more challenging project to develop a design for a high-performance chaotic multi-emission RISC-V processor core.”
"Processor chips are recognized as the crown jewel of the chip industry, with high design complexity and difficulty. There is a serious shortage of processor chip design talent in China, and it is an urgent challenge to accelerate the scale and speed of training of such talent," said Sun Ninghui, dean of the School of Computer Science and Technology at the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences and director of the Institute of Computing Technology at the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
In response to the processor design talent crisis, the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences launched the "One Life One Chip" program in August 2019, with the goal of training undergraduates to design processor chips and complete tape out with with solid theoretical and practical experience.
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hi Tam
Great summary as always, 2 thumps up. Here are the proof of what you had said.
from cnTechPost
RISC-V processor designed by five Chinese university students successfully fabricated
2020-07-25 22:20:25 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
0
Five undergraduates from the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences led the design of a 64-bit RISC-V processor that became their graduation project, according to .
The 64-bit RISC-V processor SoC, called "NutShell," was designed last year and is based on the 110nm process of Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC), the biggest chipmaker on the Chinese mainland.
The SoC has been successfully taped out and is capable of running Linux as well as UCAS-Core, an operating system they made themselves.
All five graduates will be attending graduate school at the Institute of Computing Technology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, "to participate in a more challenging project to develop a design for a high-performance chaotic multi-emission RISC-V processor core.”
"Processor chips are recognized as the crown jewel of the chip industry, with high design complexity and difficulty. There is a serious shortage of processor chip design talent in China, and it is an urgent challenge to accelerate the scale and speed of training of such talent," said Sun Ninghui, dean of the School of Computer Science and Technology at the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences and director of the Institute of Computing Technology at the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
In response to the processor design talent crisis, the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences launched the "One Life One Chip" program in August 2019, with the goal of training undergraduates to design processor chips and complete tape out with with solid theoretical and practical experience.
The most interesting part of this story is that all 5 will attend Chinese graduate school instead of studying overseas, indicating the strength of China's academic institutions and the quality of China's R&D programs currently. In fact, many of China's first rate talent, those at the level of genius, such as the lead designer of J-20, who skipped senior high school and went to college at 15, never studied overseas. I think China's brain drain is greatly exaggerated sometimes.
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Actually most of the serious talent do stay in China and has been this way for nearly two decades. The outgoing students are really a small minority. I think possibly 5%-10% for serious academic careers overseas just based on ballpark estimates of how many go overseas for tertiary level education which would include starting an undergrad program. The only reason there are still so many Chinese going overseas for undergrad/masters programs overseas is the shortage of universities in China for the number of students. The best start and mostly stay in Chinese unis/research groups their entire academic careers.
For the seemingly large number of undergrad students (who are not established important figures compared to say a phd in some engineering field from MIT) is still a small proportion of the number of university students in China. Most of the foreign unis they will go to are ranked far higher than the available Chinese uni they have been able to get into. So all the best Chinese unis are filled first with the best and brightest then the second tier is where some student with the financial means may choose a higher ranking foreign uni if accepted and as you go down the pyramid of Chinese unis, the desire to study at a better one increases with the option limited only by finance and other personal decisions.
So most of the kids you see in second tier foreign unis would have had no hope of getting into a good Chinese uni. Many of the kids you see in first rate foreign unis could only get into second tier Chinese ones etc. This isn't true for everyone but the Chinese international students I've spoken to about this seem to all indicate this view. They get a much better degree and possibly a better more diverse education this way and if they're families are able to afford it, why not? It can be and sometimes is a good thing. Brain drain has slowed a lot in the last decade despite increase in students studying overseas for undergrad. Most return, even the really talented ones after a few years in industry/research.