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ILikeChina said:

Could you tell me if Huawei Hongmeng will be for smartphones or not? I've read recent report it says not(citing some Huawei director) is it true?

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I think your concern is unnecessary. From a technical perspective, the Hongmeng OS certainly can be a equally good smartphone OS IF Huawei decides to do so.

Android is a Linux/Unix variant with a Java VM sitting on top of the kernel, then Android apps sitting inside the VM. It is no different from a Linux desktop, which is not far from a Mac or Windows.

Huawei's word, if you pay attention, is that Hongmeng was initially intended for IoT before all the Trump farce, but that intention has no limitation to only IoT. The real concern is the app base (how many Android apps can be run smoothly). Windows Mobile and Symbian died NOT because of technical shortcomings, BUT rather lack of apps (adaptation of developers).

vincent said:

RIM adopted QNX (a real-time OS for cars and industrial systems) for its BlackBerry 10 phone operating system

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So not for smartphones? I don't understand.

So Huawei smartphones department will be dead if Trump push new tariffs and he will. Couple months stalemate won't change the fact that trade war at current state won't be resolved.

ILikeChina said:

So not for smartphones? I don't understand.

So Huawei smartphones department will be dead if Trump push new tariffs and he will. Couple months stalemate won't change the fact that trade war at current state won't be resolved.

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Blackberry 10 OS died because of the lack of app support. Nothing to do with its technical merits

ILikeChina said:

So not for smartphones? I don't understand.

So Huawei smartphones department will be dead if Trump push new tariffs and he will. Couple months stalemate won't change the fact that trade war at current state won't be resolved.

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That is wrong statement.

Example

1. Mac OS is not for PCs, but it can run perfectly on a PC if one want to do so, it is called Mac X86.
2. Windows is not for Macs, but it can be installed and run perfectly on a Mac just like a PC, I had personally done so for years.

Trump's act will only prevent Gmail (and likes) to be run on NEW Huawei phones in the western market because people there are tide up to google (for now). Trump's act has NO impact on Huawei's phone anywhere else where google can be abandoned or replaced, that is not limited to China.

You wouldn't even need Android or Linux to run Android apps, just as you can run Android apps on your Windows PC via emulator. You just need to provide the same JRE/JVM as the Android specifications and expose the same interface for systems APIs. Similarly, you don't need gmail app to access gmail. You can use another mail client, for example as you would on Windows PC with Outlook.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

You wouldn't even need Android or Linux to run Android apps, just as you can run Android apps on your Windows PC via emulator. You just need to provide the same JRE/JVM as the Android specifications and expose the same interface for systems APIs. Similarly, you don't need gmail app to access gmail. You can use another mail client, for example as you would on Windows PC with Outlook.

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Agree with the rest except "gmail app and gmail (service)". The concern (in the western market) is ONLY about the service being blocked to Huawei phones. Actually, Google has been blocking the services to ANY android phone that is not certified by Google, such as many forked Android OSes since 2017. Basically, Google want to control the phone vendors through G-service, it is a marketing monopoly act. This controlling power will be translated to fees, advertisement traffic etc. Only this time, Trump use it as a economy weapon against a state rather than company vis-versa company.

taxiya said:

Agree with the rest except "gmail app and gmail (service)". The concern (in the western market) is ONLY about the service being blocked to Huawei phones. Actually, Google has been blocking the services to ANY android phone that is not certified by Google, such as many forked Android OSes since 2017. Basically, Google want to control the phone vendors through G-service, it is a marketing monopoly act. This controlling power will be translated to fees, advertisement traffic etc. Only this time, Trump use it as a economy weapon against a state rather than company vis-versa company.

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Hmm.. technically how can Google keep supporting IMAP while still blacklisting certain devices? I just don't see how Google would be able to enforce that in a foolproof manner, given limitations of the protocol.

At this point, I am pretty sure Telecom and Chipmakers lobbied to take down Chinese competitors because it's obvious Trump knows nothing about technology, let alone the impact/intricacies of 5G networks. Trump probably found out he got duped again and will get blocked by Congress in any attempt to back down as in the case of ZTE.

These companies and congressmen should be sniffed out. They have 0 intentions of ever creating an even playing field in the world or in America.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Hmm.. technically how can Google keep supporting IMAP while still blacklisting certain devices? I just don't see how Google would be able to enforce that in a foolproof manner, given limitations of the protocol.

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It's not foolproof at all and it's probably quite easy for a device to masquerade itself as another brand or identity but then the company would be accused of knowingly defrauding over the ban.

The affected companies/countries would have to come out with something else to fight back like the anti-trust law etc.

Quickie said:

It's not foolproof at all and it's probably quite easy for a device to masquerade itself as another brand or identity but then the company would be accused of knowingly defrauding over the ban.

The affected companies/countries would have to come out with something else to fight back like the anti-trust law etc.

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In court that is extremely unlikely for such charges to stand and be proven.

But in the case of gmail, I don't think a device even needs to masquerade as another device. As far as I know, Google cannot require devices to supply device information while still supporting IMAP protocol. The protocol does not involve sending device and client information to mail servers. Google would need to have control of both client (via Gmail app) and server in order to block service to a specific device or client, so as long as a non Google anonymous mail client is used, it is technically impossible for Gmail to detect what device is accessing the service.