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taxiya

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It is very easy to rebut your argument if SOE is so successful why is the north east China is rust belt and in deep trouble Yes you guess it right because their economy is so dominated by SOE

Now why southern China is so successful all the southern Chinese province are now on average has reached $20000 per capita Zhejiang, Guangdong., Fujian, Jiangsu etc
Because their economy are dominated by private sector and overseas Chinese funded company.

Some NE companies lost there competiveness is due to the global downturn of the steel and heavy industries. Also due to the depletion of oil in NE. Natural cause, not necessarily failure of the system. Adaption to the new economy development area need time, nobody can do it in a second.

You are exaggerating by claiming Southern China's relative success is because of private sector. Regardless the per capital income, give me names of big business. I can give you two, COMAC at Shanghai. China Guangdong Nuclear corp. at Guangdong.

The SOE is a drag on Chinese economy Even all the company that you mention is run on subsidy But they are necessary evil to keep the social stability.
Haier, TCL are private company they were state owned at one time but they were all prvivatized

wait, what?:eek: over the sudden, all the great achievements that you praised all this time become necessary evil?

Do you have the ownership structure of Haier and TCL? Are you confusing public traded company with private owned company? What will you call it if the "state asset administration" owns 70% share of a company while the rest 30% share is owned by individuals? Is it more closer to be a SOE or a private company? Who dominate whom? To tell you the truth, most of the SOEs have shares publically traded in open market. You can buy shares of ICBC, but nobody would call ICBC a private company.

The story of China of the story of unleashing private initiative and drive that has been there all long The communist suppress this natural instinct of Chinese people with disastrous result

When DXP start reform he try to found inspiration from the overseas Chinese and the advice he get is don't be afraid of your own people and don't micro manage their life. leave them alone! We now see the spectacular result of this wise advice!

You totally forget who Deng Xiaoping is. He is first and foremost a Communist, so are his successors. Thinking of him preferring capitalism (private sector dominating) is akin to thinking of Trump embracing Communism. Plain outlandish.

As of the inspiration from oversea Chinese, I believe you are talking about Deng Xiaoping's close relationship with Lee Kuan Yew. Yes Deng did take lots of advices from Lee and looked to Singapore for experience, but he and his successors also looked all over the world for lessons. You take too much credit for Lee or Singapore in China's success. You are not alone in taking credit, we have heard that kind of words from the Americans too "China owe us because we let them in WTO, we let them become rich by putting our factories in China, etc. etc."

To be honest, although oversea Chinese had great contributions to China's development, but let's face it, non of them has any successful big business (the C919 or nuclear plant category). For that is the backbone of a country in the size of China, and it is SOEs who do it, and they did their own change without privatization (inspiration in your words).

Necessary evil is more appropriate to be applied to the "enlarged private sector" which is capitalism in nature. As long as CPC is in power and PRC is alive, it is the capitalist element in the economy being the necessary evil rather than the other way around as you suggested. Don't forget who is in charge.

I will stop further debate with you as I don't see a point of getting into a heated exchange of words for no apparent reason, see my not-responded complaint to you.
 
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solarz

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You totally forget who Deng Xiaoping is. He is first and foremost a Communist, so are his successors. Thinking of him preferring capitalism (private sector dominating) is akin to thinking of Trump embracing Communism. Plain outlandish.

I fully agree. Deng was pragmatic compared to Mao's idealism, but let's not forget that he was one of the old guard CCP.
 

taxiya

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I fully agree. Deng was pragmatic compared to Mao's idealism, but let's not forget that he was one of the old guard CCP.
exactly, that is why no matter how many times Mao purged Deng, he would keep him and eventually grant him the power to be future leader. Mao was 100% confident in Deng being a loyal communist, they only disagreed in methods, but 100% agreed in the end.
 
... Prior to Reform and Opening Up, an employee goes to work, and takes orders from a low level manager. This manager is part of a chain of command that goes up to the state economic planning organ. Today an employee goes to work and takes orders from a low level manager. This manager is part of a chain of command that goes up to the highest executives in the company. China has given freedom to corporate executives to manage their workforce as they see fit, while the ordinary worker still just takes orders from a boss. At a fundamental level there is still plenty of managing going on within private enterprises, and I hear China today has some of the most insufferable middle and low level managers in the world.

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I'm puzzled what workers should do except to take orders from the boss, so would you elaborate on this paragraph:

The only way to guarantee that the Chinese economy works for the benefit of Chinese people in the long run, and thus ensuring the stability and longevity of the Chinese state, is to give ordinary Chinese working class people direct and equal power to control how their workplaces are run and how the profits of their physical or intellectual labor are used.

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(the only explanation I could think of would be a Workshop Committee of the Party, a Factory Committee of the Party ... but for me it's been some time LOL!
EDIT I might misunderstood where you're heading)
 
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vesicles

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exactly, that is why no matter how many times Mao purged Deng, he would keep him and eventually grant him the power to be future leader. Mao was 100% confident in Deng being a loyal communist, they only disagreed in methods, but 100% agreed in the end.

I don't think Mao granted Deng the power to be the future leader. Quite the opposite, Mao let Deng live because Deng specifically promised Mao that he would never attempt to gain power of the government in any meaningful way. Mao passed his power to Hua Guofeng.
 

taxiya

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I don't think Mao granted Deng the power to be the future leader. Quite the opposite, Mao let Deng live because Deng specifically promised Mao that he would never attempt to gain power of the government in any meaningful way. Mao passed his power to Hua Guofeng.
Yes, Hua was the designated Heir to succeed Mao, not Deng.

The highlighted words of mine is misleading. What I was trying to convey is that Deng's power (base) within the party was never eliminated or preserved due to Mao's unwillingness to do so rather than unable to do so. That's the reason I used "grant" which is very misleading though.

This power base includes Ye Jianying (effective head of PLA at the time) , one of the three main plotters against Gang of Four. It is also because of that power base that just months after the coup in 1976, Deng's formal power were fully restored including the chief of staff of PLA in 1977. That is when Deng gained the position to be able to replace Hua Guofeng. In reality, nobody in China (in the later revelation) sees Hua ever had real power as a leader. I personally like Hua as a person, but has to admit that he was at best a puppet of Ye Jianying between October 1976 and July 1977, and puppet of Deng from then on till his stepping down.

I don't believe for a second that Mao ever believed in Deng's promise. Mao had no choice, but Mao knew that Deng is the only capable leader and most of the Party leadership supported Deng. Mao knew that Hua's time will not be long. Mao passed to Hua instead of Deng is only because he did not want to accept the inevitable, a sad but understandable situation an old hero was in.

The personal favor of Mao towards Deng (as preservation, saving from certain death) made the difference of fate of Deng from Liu Shaoqi, Peng Dehuai and Chenyi etc, live and death.
 
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Chinese gene-sequencing breakthrough
China’s gene sequencing tech hits world class
By Fang Tian (
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) 19:33, October 11, 2017

China’s second-generation gene sequencing technology has achieved breakthroughs and now leads the world, the National Development and Reform Commission said through its official WeChat account on Oct. 9.

In recent five years, highly accurate and affordable gene testing has been embraced by more people in China, and its market could reach 6 billion yuan (around $911 million) in 2016, which is more than five times than that in 2012, topping the world with its annual compound growth rate of 50 percent.

Chinese companies and research institutions have broken the monopoly on sequencing devices and reagent manufacturing by independently developing BIGIS, the first second-generation sequencers in China. Some types of domestic sequencers have been approved by the China Food and Drug Administration to enter the market.

Moreover, BGI, a domestic frontier institution of life science and a leader of gene sequencing in China, has developed DNA-based single-cell sequence technology, indicating that China has started research on third-generation sequencing technology.

China’s fast development of gene science has been one of the main achievements in the hi-tech field since the 18th National Congress of the Communist Party of China. Now the gene industry has been a driving force for China’s economic growth and attracting a high amount of attention from the capital markets.
 
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Quantum computing cloud platform released in China
Xinhua| 2017-10-11 23:54:57
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A Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) research institute and Aliyun, Alibaba's cloud computing subsidiary, have released a cloud platform for quantum computing.

The platform was announced online by Aliyun and the CAS innovative center for quantum information and quantum physics (Shanghai) at a cloud computing conference Wednesday in Hangzhou, east China's Zhejiang Province, where Alibaba is based.

The platform will offer users a development and testing environment for cloud-based quantum algorithms.

Pan Jianwei, lead scientist of China's quantum experiments at space scale and a member of the academy, said the platform would help industrialize quantum computing.

"If a classic computer is compared to a bicycle in computation speed, a quantum computer is like a jet," said Pan.

Cooperation between CAS and Aliyun dates back to July 2015, when a quantum computing laboratory was launched. In May 2017, the world's first prototype quantum computer was developed by the laboratory and two Chinese universities.
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Alibaba Chairman Jack Ma speaks during the opening ceremony of "The Computing Conference 2017" in Hangzhou, capital of east China's Zhejiang Province, Oct. 11, 2017. The four-day conference kicked off here on Wednesday, attracting guests from 67 countries and regions. (Xinhua/Huang Zongzhi)
 
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