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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Hendrik, I said millions from all over the world. It doesn't matter 40% of Chinese students return home from the States (by the way, that means 60% feel US is better than Communist China, right sport?), it doesn't even matter if 100% of Chinese nationals return home, US still attracts millions of talented men and women to come and stay.

Ever been to Santa Clara county(home of intel and Apple,other hight tech company )? Most of those engineer are either from China or India
Or go to any engineering graduate school in US or Canada and see who are they. Again Chinese or Indian

Did you watch the launch of Shenzou 11 today? that is the creation of one man Qin Xueshen. Imagine what 2 million of highly educated engineer can do

Apparently you never been to Mainland China university.There are thousand of Korean, Japanese, Malaysian even from north america . Where there is sweet there will be ant.
Or to Shenzen there are thousand of British, Australian, German, Austrian, French. Why because there are in the hub of technology hot spot and can get prototype done fast and cheap
 
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Blackstone

Brigadier
I have no intention to compare Japan to China My point is US doesn't have monopoly when it come to attracting talent. The article comparison is inconsequential So no need to be sensitive
No country has a "monopoly" on attracting talent, but compared to the US, China is very low on that scale, while America is the gold standard.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Hendrik, I said millions from all over the world. It doesn't matter 40% of Chinese students return home from the States (by the way, that means 60% feel US is better than Communist China, right sport?), it doesn't even matter if 100% of Chinese nationals return home, US still attracts millions of talented men and women to come and stay.
No, sport, not right. Hendrick actually misquoted the 40% part. The actual figure is 80%.

"Let me start with the trend that most of those educated abroad, or 80 percent specifically, choose to come back to China for employment after graduation."

40% is the percentage of Chinese who returned with master degrees obtained from the UK.

"Over 40 percent of returnees with a master’s degree went to grad school in the UK."

But the ones who do choose to stay, may surprise you. They didn't choose to stay because they believe in American values and freedom and wanted to escape CCP oppression; they stayed because like the fish, they move with the tide. If the US offered cheaper, bigger houses, easier work hours, cheaper/cleaner food/environment, they stay because it's more comfortable. They cheer for China on TV, but they stay because it's a more laid-back yet rich lifestyle in the US and they don't believe they could make a difference to their country anyway. They often even complain that they are uncomfortable around non-Chinese because of cultural differences, though they pay that as a trade-off for a relaxed, plentiful lifestyle. The ones that went back to China, well, some went because of patriotism; they knew they had to give back to their motherland. Others went because they were truly skilled and cash-rich China made them an offer that America could not/did not want to match.

And the US may attract millions of talent from all over the world, but millions of Chinese educated from all over the world return to China, and that's all that China wants and needs for a quick lead, at least in some areas, more to come.
 
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advill

Junior Member
I am impressed with China's space launch yesterday (am I correct with date?) to its international space station. I had the privileged as a Visiting Lecturer in 2005, to observe in person Chinese First Space Launch Taikonauts, and their supporting Chinese Scientists in a Macau publicity event. Some of the scientists were young ladies, probably educated in the US. Whatever it is, the Chinese whether in business, technology, and now military have the gumption to learn very quickly. As for business, an area I am quite familiar, culturally the Chinese are natural born and self-made business people. This is now shown in China (Ali Baba etc), & since many decades ago by Overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia (Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines included), and several countries in the world. The have been very successful, and also able to withstand failures with strong determination to try again (as in in the concept of "Wei-Ji": Examining opportunites in a crisis). We have to take off our hats to the Chinese including by several Westerners (Americans & Europeans particularly Germans) I know. However, like with other nations (US, in EU, Russia, ME, Africa), there are areas that can be improved.
 
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Equation

Lieutenant General
China AI ahead of US? Says who? One or two news stories? Well, color me skeptical. Chances are good both are at the leading edge, and if anyone is ahead, I'd say its the country that draws talent from all over the world by the millions. Say, that wouldn't be Communist China, would it...?

I say the one country with most talents whether from overseas or domestically are ahead! China has such a large pool of talents that even the US has to depended on it to sustain the status quo other wise it wouldn't even be where it is today. With rampant racism and Sino phobia going on I wouldn't be surprise the returning of sea turtles to China will degraded the US edge in any thing.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
It looks as if a lot of people are misunderstanding what AIs are. They are basically an expert system going through algorithm process calculating probabilities of a specific field they had been programed developing probability scenarios based on past data.
They can not expand and make deductions that are not included within the algorithm and do not have any ways to expand those parameters. They are excellent in doing diagnostics of complex machinery including humans or flying a plane but can not really think, only come up with solutions of past examples and data and not anything new on their own.

It will take a lot more for AI to become self aware to truly become "Artificial Intelligence"

I am sure you are right that a lot of peope get it wrong (misunderstanding) of AI ... are you included? ... from your wording it is obvious you are one of those ... obviously I am one of those as well :p
 

solarz

Brigadier
Aughhhhh, we organic intelligence haven't cracked the secret of anticipating the unknown so how can we create an algorithm that can?
AI can't make a better AI if they could that would be call self awareness something that will still take a lot more time, research and some Eureka moments to reach.They can refine programs for better efficiency but that does not mean they can create something new.
AI can only anticipate things that had happened in the past stored within their database which is within their parameters they can not anticipate that completely new and had not happened before. 

It really doesn't sound like you understand what AI is.

Let me say this again: AI is machine learning. The algorithm for an AI program is modeled after the human brain: neurons and synapses and strengthened connections based on learning.

AI programmers DO NOT tell the AI what it should or should not do. They simply provide ways for the AI to receive feedback and run the AI through thousands and thousands of scenarios.

The purpose of an AI is to be able to make decisions. Those decisions are based on its learning process. AI programmers have no control over how those decisions are reached.
 
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TECHNOLOGY NEWS | Thu Oct 20, 2016 | 7:23pm EDT
Two-wheel drive: China tech giants bet on 'Uber for bikes' in hunt for next unicorn

By Sijia Jiang | HONG KONG
China's tech industry giants are sloughing hundreds of millions of dollars into what they're betting will be the country's next big internet craze - 'Uber for bikes'.

A symbol of China's cities long before a boom in cars, snarling traffic and smog, the humble bicycle is making a comeback. Start-ups equipped with smartphone apps, GPS and scannable codes are selling cheap bike-sharing to city-dwellers as the way to beat jams on China's most clogged streets.

The rush to invest in car ride-hailing apps in China peaked with Didi Chuxing's acquisition of Uber's China arm in August, creating a $35 billion giant. Now Shanghai's MoBike and Beijing-based ofo - both use customised Anglicised branding - have raised big money in the past month alone from bullish investors on the hunt for China's next tech 'unicorn'.

MoBike, backed by Chinese internet giant Tencent Holdings (0700.HK) among others, closed a $100 million funding round this month, two sources told Reuters. Ofo raised $130 million this month from investors including Didi, smartphone maker Xiaomi and U.S. hedge fund Coatue, which has backed Facebook and Google.

"We did not expect there to be so many investors and we did not expect this field to get so hot," ofo co-founder Zhang Siding, 26, told Reuters in an interview. Zhang was one of five Beijing students who launched the firm in 2015, now charging 1 yuan ($0.15) per hour to rent.

MoBike, also founded in 2015, and ofo say several hundred thousand residents of Chinese cities use the services every day, though tech sector watchers estimate neither yet makes a profit. Neither discloses earnings details.

Each claims to be the first of its kind in the world, raising the question for the firms and their investors of whether the model could be replicated in other countries.

In the meantime, the custom-made 'smart bikes' stand out in a country estimated to have close to 400 million bicycles: MoBikes have orange-red inner wheels with fewer spokes and airless tyres to reduce maintenance; ofo's yellow bikes have a lower-tech, retro look.

MOBIKE: BRINGING 'SEXY' BACK?

Riders use smartphone apps to unlock and pay the cost of hire, and they are free to leave the bikes wherever their journey ends, a feature ofo and MoBike say is a major plus over traditional rental services, which require bikes to be returned to a parking station. MoBike's app also allows users to see nearby vacant bikes using a GPS tracking system.

"I find it very convenient, because road traffic is so bad, especially during rush hour," said Yu Xiaoxia, 29, a teacher in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou who pays 1 yuan per half-hour to use MoBike.

The ride is worth it for Yu but isn't all smooth. "The bikes are heavy to pedal, and it is also harder to find a vacant bike now that it (MoBike) is gaining more users," she said.

The two firms are growing fast - as is their rivalry.

Ofo, which says it has more than 300 employees, claims some 85,000 of its bikes are providing 500,000 rides daily. At MoBike, which declined to disclose how many people it employs, Chief Executive Wang Xiaofeng said his firm has more than 100,000 daily active users.

"We want to make bicycles sexy again by making a fashionable, high-tech bike," Wang, 43, told Reuters in an interview. Wang is a MoBike co-founder who was previously the Shanghai head of Uber.

Zhang said if each of his firm's bikes were used four times a day, the company would recoup the bike's cost in two to three months.

CHALLENGES IN STORE

It remains to be seen whether the new bike-sharing businesses will follow the path of bruising competition, heavy investment and ultimate consolidation seen in the taxi-hailing sector. Didi now reigns supreme after absorbing a local rival before cutting a deal to take over Uber China.

In the meantime, the business model faces challenges, both operational and strategic.

Risks of theft, vandalism and irresponsible users who park bikes off-limits are the biggest everyday headaches for both firms. The services are also prone to the caprices of regulators, an issue that has dogged China's taxi-hailing market, where firms still face tight restrictions on drivers.

Another issue could be the very design of Chinese cities, adapted to meet booming private car ownership over the last two decades.

"Bike-sharing is a good direction from a planning point of view. But many Chinese cities have been built with scales prioritising vehicles," said Sylvia He, assistant professor at the Institute of Future Cities at the Chinese University of Hong Kong.

"There are just not enough facilities for bikes," said He.

(Reporting by Sijia Jiang; Additional reporting by Julie Zhu; Editing by Adam Jourdan and Kenneth Maxwell)
 
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