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kentchang

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I think he's emphasizing EUV since it's one of the last examples of a technology that China doesn't produce because it actually can't, and not just because of market reasons or lack of commercial experience.

There are plenty of examples of technologies China can produce using domestic components, but for which it does not yet have a dominant market share: High-precision 5-axis CNCs, automotive industrial robots, MRIs, ultra-high-quality bearings, large gas turbines, DUV etc. For these its market share is still small because the production volume is not big enough (or in DUVs case, not started yet), and in some cases foreign products are still slightly higher quality.

Then for others like big planes or turbofans, China does now have a good amount of experience, but only in military applications. So converting that experience to products that are commercially viable and meet consumer expectations is the challenge.

The third category of technologies that it actually cannot build at all is naturally always smaller, and by this point far smaller. The only ones I personally know of are EUV and ultra-heavy launch vehicles like starship. If anyone knows any others I would appreciate it.

Just to be clear and precise. NO ONE has a working Starship-class launcher yet.
 

horse

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The person who wrote that article, describing the thinking of Washington DC politicians, it is kind of obvious that they are all out to lunch.

Let's start with the very basics.

What is a cloud, or cloud computing?

In essence, that is just a room full of computers, they servers.

What are these servers doing?

They using running databases.

What are these databases purpose?

This is where is starts to get complicated with the jargon. What is being done here, is something like this website, SaaS which is software as a service. Or PaaS platform as a service.

Okay, that is the very basics, briefly, there is a lot more, but in essence, the cloud is a room of servers, offering the usual aka the network stuff, blah blah blah.

:D

Okay, now we get to real world crap, and facts, which makes it interesting, and makes the world go around.

Who sells these cloud systems?

Huawei does, and Inspur, besides American companies, and both Chinese companies are world leading manufacturers of these cloud server systems.

Who buys these Chinese made server systems?

Everyone, including China, ASEAN, West Asia, South America, Africa. Many reports over the years of how deals were made, especially how Huawei will help some African country digitalize their health care service and such. Thailand going big with Huawei cloud systems, Saudi Arabia going big with Huawei cloud systems, UAE going big with Huawei cloud systems, all treaty allies of the United States.

Are these Chinese cloud systems secure?

That is not how it works. Inspur or Huawei will sell you the system, but it is up to the cloud admin to lock it down.

:p

Now we get to the real interesting stuff, based on the facts and reality,

The truth is that these countries such as those treaty allies of Thailand, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, are relying heavily on Chinese tech, such as this cloud systems being sold by Huawei and Inspur, to transform their relatively tech backwardness.

That is the question. Why does these treaty allies of the Americans must rely on Chinese companies today to upgrade their tech, when they could have bought it from the Americans ages ago.

Maybe the Americans weren't interested in selling? Who knows.

All we know that there is a lineup in the developing world to install Chinese tech, this infrastructure of networked technology.

:cool:

To read an article from the New York Times like that, kind of proves they do not have a clue on how to fight this tech war.

It is all about chasing windmills at this stage of the game for the Biden people.

:oops:
 

tacoburger

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What China really lacks is GMO crops/livestock, especially meant for human consumption. Yes I know that China is allowing a small amount of GMO crops to be planted this year, but it's way too small scale and slow, not to mention it's mainly going to be used for livestock and not for human consumption yet. China imports so much of it's food and with an increasing geopolitical tensions and worsening climate events, it's important for China to be fully self sufficient in food. There's issues with GMO crops yes, bad business practices, safely issues, too much dominance by western firms etc etc, but all are solvable.

The safely issue is mook, considering that GMO crops have been a thing for 3 decades at this point, have been subjected to tens of thousands of studies, billions of mouths without issues and much of the crops that China imports is GMO anyway. Bad business practices/monopolistic behavior aren't an issue with the right polices and control that the government has over the market. Dominance by western companies, again are not an issue with China's control over the market and China's own companies being pretty good enough to compete on their own merit.

Chinese scientist have had success with breeding and planting improved crops over the years, like salt-alkaline resistant crops, hybrid rice etc etc but that's via selective breeding and forced mutation, methods that were outdated decades ago. Modern genetic engineering methods are hundreds of times faster and cheaper, but they aren't being used nearly as much by China because of the heavy regulation surrounding GMO crops, there's no incentive if there's no market and chinese companies aren't being allowed to plant in chinese soil.

There's so much potential for GMO crops. Honestly companies like Monsanto are way too concerned with yield, profits and selling roundup. You could have crops that's extremely high in protein as much as meat, that's rich in certain vitamins, omega fatty acids, that need vastly less water/fertilizer, has a much longer shelf life. Or for non consumption purposes, like mangrove like plants that can actually reduce the salinity level of the surrounding soil, plants that absorb various toxic heavy metals, soils that improve soil health via increased biosequestration and nitrogen fixture. This kind of GMO crops don't make much profit and thus not much funding and attention, will probably need the government to step in if they are to be deployed in large scale.

And then there's livestock. A lot more risky, but the rewards are great. Just increased resistance to the common diseases that plague farmers would be a massive boost to the industry, to say nothing of increased growth and reproduction rates. Or more exotic options like an all female chicken line that reproduces asexually.
 

siegecrossbow

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The person who wrote that article, describing the thinking of Washington DC politicians, it is kind of obvious that they are all out to lunch.

Let's start with the very basics.

What is a cloud, or cloud computing?

In essence, that is just a room full of computers, they servers.

What are these servers doing?

They using running databases.

What are these databases purpose?

This is where is starts to get complicated with the jargon. What is being done here, is something like this website, SaaS which is software as a service. Or PaaS platform as a service.

Okay, that is the very basics, briefly, there is a lot more, but in essence, the cloud is a room of servers, offering the usual aka the network stuff, blah blah blah.

:D

Okay, now we get to real world crap, and facts, which makes it interesting, and makes the world go around.

Who sells these cloud systems?

Huawei does, and Inspur, besides American companies, and both Chinese companies are world leading manufacturers of these cloud server systems.

Who buys these Chinese made server systems?

Everyone, including China, ASEAN, West Asia, South America, Africa. Many reports over the years of how deals were made, especially how Huawei will help some African country digitalize their health care service and such. Thailand going big with Huawei cloud systems, Saudi Arabia going big with Huawei cloud systems, UAE going big with Huawei cloud systems, all treaty allies of the United States.

Are these Chinese cloud systems secure?

That is not how it works. Inspur or Huawei will sell you the system, but it is up to the cloud admin to lock it down.

:p

Now we get to the real interesting stuff, based on the facts and reality,

The truth is that these countries such as those treaty allies of Thailand, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, are relying heavily on Chinese tech, such as this cloud systems being sold by Huawei and Inspur, to transform their relatively tech backwardness.

That is the question. Why does these treaty allies of the Americans must rely on Chinese companies today to upgrade their tech, when they could have bought it from the Americans ages ago.

Maybe the Americans weren't interested in selling? Who knows.

All we know that there is a lineup in the developing world to install Chinese tech, this infrastructure of networked technology.

:cool:

To read an article from the New York Times like that, kind of proves they do not have a clue on how to fight this tech war.

It is all about chasing windmills at this stage of the game for the Biden people.

:oops:

Cronyism destroys the nation from the top.
 

tphuang

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China's OLED market share is exploding. SK's share declined from 69.3% in Q3 of last year to just 49.75% in Q2. What a spectacular drop. A lot of implications here. Keep in mind that just having all the Chinese mobile, tablet & other consumer electronics use domestic for all of their products and expand its OLED usage would be a huge boon not just for Chinese OLED makers but also domestic fabless houses and SMIC for DDIC chips and such
 
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