New Type98/99 MBT thread

[rommel]

Okay, it's enough !! Get back to the original topic !!!

 

[Husar]

I hope this counts as on topic, although not strictly Type 99 material.

I done a bit of "digging" for info regarding the latest 125 mm Sabot rounds and it seems that the latest Russian round is called BM-48 "Svinets-M". The info coresponds with the chart I posted about a week ago.

The BM-48 is just entering service and reportedly matches the US M-829A3

A chart (in Russian; Red=Rus ... Blue=US)

 

[challenge]

other important area was IIR,Chinese source claim that type-98 uses SPRITE ir detector,similiar to Challenger-1 TOGS IIR camera,
according to janes,british are not satisfy with TOGS,they wanted it replace .
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[Scratch]

I can remember to have read reports saying the chinese developed an AT-11 ATGW clone to be fired from the main gun. Any info on that ?
As I can recall it the russians had problems with the complexity of such systems.

Another point I'd like to draw attention to is the "western style" turret as I would see it. The eastern/sowjet approach always was to keep the turret as small as possible, to keep the target cross section low, thus minimizing hit probability. Everything not pivotal was baned out of it.
However, western tanks have relatively big turrets to get as much as possible under it's protection.

 

[Red not Dead]

The 2A46M-5 in 51-52- or 55 calibers arms the newest versions of the T-80 and t-90 class of tanks. They are made with better machining, mateials, and have an improved autoloader and loading hoists that has allowed penetrators upto 560mm in leangth

Hussar,

Look at the great encirclement battles around kiev and Smolensk. These victories were do entirely to the superior crews of the panzers. Also the Germans encountered the KV-1 from the first day. IIRC the first one encoutnered was a KV outside of Brest-Livtosk. There is a great deal of confusion in this area becuase so many records were lost during and at the end of the war and post war Soviet desire to reduce the sheer scope of thier failures by giving the Germans an inflated capability by reducing the amount equipmen they faced. A quick googling shows july 31 as the first use of a T-34. This is barely more than a month into Barbarossa and well before Moscow.

Again IIRC correclty you are referrign to a encounter between a T-34 and a German infantry formation. Since the heaviest anti-tank guns were the 37mm and 28mm the infantry had little chance on stopping. The tank I beleive over ran the divsional CP and a Luftwaffe flak unit had to be brought up to engage it over open sights.

Heaviest PAK was the 38-50mm tungsten Pzgr40...largely enough to defeat the hatch and back of of the 34-39!

Please zraver.

 

[Husar]

I can remember to have read reports saying the chinese developed an AT-11 ATGW clone to be fired from the main gun. Any info on that ?
As I can recall it the russians had problems with the complexity of such systems.

Apparently it's armed with the AT-11.

"The tank carries the Russian 9M119 Refleks (NATO codename: AT-11 Sniper) anti-tank guided missile system which is fired from the 125mm main gun...."

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[challenge]

during Pkistan defense exhibition, pakistan displayed long rod ((25:1?) DU penetrator.no data was release,but the pakistani DU round could have come from china?

 

[Shulin Jiang]

How much does it cost in USD???

 

[zraver]

Red not dead, the pak40 a 75mm was not avaible in 1941. The gemran infantry marched into russia with 28mm and 37mm ATG's. The first big caliber ATG in widespread use was either rebarreled FRussian 76mm feild guns or Pak 38 50mm in dedicated anti-tank units.

during Pkistan defense exhibition, pakistan displayed long rod ((25:1?) DU penetrator.no data was release,but the pakistani DU round could have come from china?

It looks to be around 560mm which is not a real Long rod penetrator by Western standards where the leangth is in excess of 700mm and as high as 850mm.

 

[Violet Oboe]

Any suggestions about T-99G´s production run in 06?

Watching CCTV-7 and reading some chinese weapons magazines could lead to assumptions that at least 400-500 units are churned out every year! Although a rough estimate of one unit per working day averaging 300 a year seems to be a quite informed guess the number could be of course substantially higher since more and more pics surface on the net showing armored regiments of one Group Army after another being equipped with PLA´s most modern MBT.

This leaves the question about how many units of the T-99 family will be eventually produced and whether the successor type will be introduced in the next few years or only around 2015.
(My own estimate is that PLA will procure around 2000 units until 2009/10 and after that will progress to introduce the ´next generation tank´ (with 152 mm gun?))

What´s your estimate guys?
Best regards Violet Oboe.:coffee: