New Type98/99 MBT thread

[Aluka]

Haven't posted in quite a while
Well, i am glad that our theory on 99's maingun has some grounding behind it now. If we could only get a picture of actual 99's gunbreech it would be the "limit of my dreams".

Also i would like to comment on 99's armour:

According to a PLA engineer the Type 99 Composite armour are extremely effective vrs HEAT and sabot round due to the muti layer of speical rubber sandwiched inside the armor. The rubber is design to expand when it been strike by heat or sabot round therefore force the metal plating to continuously change shape as it pentrate each layer and greatly increase the thickness of the armor the round have to penetrate, the continously change in shape armour shape could sometime snap the sabot penterater rod too.

This information was available on gspo for 2 years or so. (Also they concluded gun's origin already back then) I wonder why people do not listen to them and think them to be just some fans. Anyway, according to gspo 99's armour was developed with use of russian experience in developing armour blocks for T-80U, and basically resembles it's structure. Again according to gspo T-80U armour consists of sandwiched plates of steel, rubber, and corundum (some say it may bereplaced by other material), spaced from each other and filled with pressurised polystyrol. Plates are angled 54-55 degrees from the axis of maingun, to optimise effectiveness against directly incoming shells.

 

[Nethappy]

Hiya.... it been a while since I post.. been buzy with work and world cup.
Anyway I asked about the type 99 developing of the russian experience from T-80U armor over lunch. The guy said it was developed of the russian armor with Israel tech support. I dun know if he is joking or is it true. But it's quite interesting subject. I'll take a pic of the damn gunbreech with my fone if I ever get the chance, but there are normally guard watching.

 

[Gollevainen]

we will send you a cake with SDF written over it to the prison...

But seriously, don't get yourself into trouple just for our enthusiaism...

 

[Nethappy]

yeah i know..... but.. if the chance pop up why.. not take it up

 

[adeptitus]

yeah i know..... but.. if the chance pop up why.. not take it up

=^^= and they say curiousity killed the cat.

Seriously, despite how much we'd love to get new into on the T-98/T-99, don't get into trouble for us. If you get caught, at best you'd get fired. At worst, we wouldn't know which correctional facility to send a cake to. =p

 

[Roger604]

=^^= and they say curiousity killed the cat.

Seriously, despite how much we'd love to get new into on the T-98/T-99, don't get into trouble for us. If you get caught, at best you'd get fired. At worst, we wouldn't know which correctional facility to send a cake to. =p

Let me put it this way. If I was China's cyberpolice, I would certainly pay attention to military websites, especially one with as many knowledgable and professional members has SDF. You never know what kind of intelligence information you can fish out of there.

So seriously Nethappy, don't do any that would get you into trouble pls!

 

[Jiaguy]

Hello I'm new and have just discovered your site...

As to the discussion on indigenous or not, I think its largely irrelevent. In recent years Russian defense engineers and scientists have flooded China. they are often paid very little (Western standards). If one goes to Shenzhen, even in the avionics fields, one finds multitudes of talented Russian engineers wokring on the newest designs of Chinese 'indigenous' weapons.

While the tank may have been designed from the ground up in China, it may have not been Chinese engineers.

Without going into politics, my question is this how are all these highly effective composite being peirced by home made IED's in Iraq? I know ERA would do nothing but shouldn't the composite armors be enough to fend off a simple shaped charge? Or have the IEDs used so far been in a water mine type fashion and cracked a tank using its own hard armor as a conductor of vibration?


Thanks,

 

[RedMercury]

No simple explanations. But IEDs vary in size. Some are rather large, i.e. quite a bit larger than your typical ATGM or RPG warhead that tank armor is designed to defeat. You wouldn't expect a tank to stand up to a few direct hits by 155mm howitzer rounds. THey also tend to hit the most vulnerable parts, hence they're effective.

 

[Aluka]

Without going into politics, my question is this how are all these highly effective composite being peirced by home made IED's in Iraq? I know ERA would do nothing but shouldn't the composite armors be enough to fend off a simple shaped charge? Or have the IEDs used so far been in a water mine type fashion and cracked a tank using its own hard armor as a conductor of vibration?

I think the answer is much simplier. IEDs are often mines layed on the ground, and tank does not have composite armour all over its hull. All those highly effective composites are designed to stop "arrow-type" peneterators like Sabot or HEAT shells. Desinged to stop directly incoming shells. Very few tanks had in their concept something else rather than vehicle for "tank duelling". In fact Merkava4 is the only tank i could remember, which was designed to be durable not only against other tanks. Here is an example of what i am talking about, the only composite armour blocks are in purple:

Pretty much the same could be drawn for any other conventional tank.

 

[ger_mark]

The Latest Leopard 2 versions have additional mine protection

Prettyinteresting: Dingo 2 APC drove over AT mine in Afghanistan, crew uninjured