New Type98/99 MBT thread

[Insignius]

In fact, it would be incorrect to call the ZTZ99A a "Type 99 variant". It is not. It shares absolutely nothing with the Type 99 and its T-72 styled hull and indigenous,Type 85-derived turret. The ZTZ99A is not a Type 99. It is an entirely new tank that only shares the "Type 99" designation for whatever purpose. The new chassis is shorter, more compact and features a MTU inspired V12 1500hp engine that just isnt the same one the ZTZ99 basic variants used. But still, it is a replacement for the ZTZ99, not the ZTZ96.



One thing for sure; with the introduction of this tank, earlier ZTZ99s will be handed down to other armoured and heavy mechanized units in dire need for replacement of their ZTZ59 tanks.

 

[no_name]

Are you sure this a Type 99 model?

It seems to me that it is a new variant of the Type 96 with a new-style Type 99 turret.

What suggests this is the more steeply sloped, flat glacis plate without the central driver's position and the US-style road wheels.

It seems to me that the PLA is developing 2 new models of both the Type 96 and Type 98 using this new turret with the very long gun barrel.

Just my 2 cents.

From what I heard this latest variant of type 99 has a completely redesigned chassis compared to the older 99.

 

[hardware]

during satory exhibition, NORINCO displayed a model of MBT-3000,unlike MBT-2000 which was design for export only,spokeman claim the mbt-3000 will equip the PLA.
was MBT-3000 design to replace type-96?

 

[Broccoli]

Why tanks with a carousel autoloader need some serious protection all over.

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Btw, how come this new Type-99A2 (or what ever it's called) do not have side skirts with ERA protection? Some sources suggest that MBT-3000 can be equipped with skirts.

 

[MwRYum]

Btw, how come this new Type-99A2 (or what ever it's called) do not have side skirts with ERA protection? Some sources suggest that MBT-3000 can be equipped with skirts.

Probably to reduce wear and tear expenditure on skirts during events like training exercises, but will put them on "fully equipped" during combat missions or parades?

 

[paintgun]

Why tanks with a carousel autoloader need some serious protection all over.

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Btw, how come this new Type-99A2 (or what ever it's called) do not have side skirts with ERA protection? Some sources suggest that MBT-3000 can be equipped with skirts.

just PLA being cheap

i hope they don't ride to war with no skirts, or before it takes a toast crew or two to take PLA to adopt them

 

[hardware]

why is t-72 tank so vulnerable of brewing up? was its her combustional cartridge?,lack of anti-spalling kevlar lining?
I remember article written in the 70's in US army journal,warn german RH-120 combustional cartridge susceptible of being brew up than standard 105mm aluminum cartridge .
during the chenchen war, the russian witness so many T-72 and T-64 tank being brew up ,that they replace it with older T-55 tank.
and since type-96 tank which evolve from type-85 tank,in turn was near copy of T-72 tank,while it may be cheap,PLA may have realize when confronted new gen.tank such T-72MS (which able to resist hit from 120mm "silver bullet" from 250 meter away,and purchased by india)they need something new.such as MBT-3000.

 

[paintgun]

yes in some cases T-72 ammo does not have secure propellant casing, and distributed in all sort of places in the tank hull, not to mention the carousel autoloader itself

unlike Western design with dedicated ammo storage and blow off panel

 

[Lezt]

why is t-72 tank so vulnerable of brewing up? was its her combustional cartridge?,lack of anti-spalling kevlar lining?
I remember article written in the 70's in US army journal,warn german RH-120 combustional cartridge susceptible of being brew up than standard 105mm aluminum cartridge .
during the chenchen war, the russian witness so many T-72 and T-64 tank being brew up ,that they replace it with older T-55 tank.
and since type-96 tank which evolve from type-85 tank,in turn was near copy of T-72 tank,while it may be cheap,PLA may have realize when confronted new gen.tank such T-72MS (which able to resist hit from 120mm "silver bullet" from 250 meter away,and purchased by india)they need something new.such as MBT-3000.

That is alot of speculation,

During the chechen war, not a lot of T-72/ T-64 blew up. if you check Russian sources and war footage, you will find T-72s fighting onward after taking a penetrating RGP hit to the rear turret basket. Alot of the destroyed T-72 and T-64 photos shown intact turrets, AKA the ammunition did not cook off.

The replacement with the T55 is also much more a questions of economics, Russia was cash strapped after the dissolution of the USSR, running T-72 and T-64 with their reactive armor suites is an expensive affair, why field them when the older T55 with the Drozd APS is sufficiently protected for the ob?

Besides, your question is based on the type 96, not the thread for type 98/99; better ask that question elsewhere.

 

[Temujin]

I imagine it would be fairly simple to fit ERA or steel plate skirts to the ZTZ96/99 when needed. Hopefully the 99 variant &
MBT 3000 have, or can temporarily fit more passive armour on the hull & turret sides. Reactive blocks and/or stowage bins alone are just a band aid.

The latter design seems like a fairly expensive machine. If it is going to succeed the 96 in production, it'll be interesting
to see how long the series runs.