New Type98/99 MBT thread

IronsightSniper

Junior Member
do russian tank or chinese tank lined with anti spalling kevlar?judging from large number of iraqi T-72 tank ,(not to mention t-80 tank destroyed in grozny) suffer from catastrophic explosion ,ripping the turrent and powerpack 20 feet into the air.may indicate the absent of anti spalling lining.
spalling behave like shotgun,when ammo non metal combustion cartridge hit by the spall it will detonate.
latest version of T-90MS are lined with kevlar,but I am not sure on type-99 ot Type-98.But I am sure MBT-2000 may have kevlar lining.

The short answer is yes. The Russians have had, at the least, some type of spalling layer for decades now, but they used to use an "anti-radiation" layer, which is now replaced by a kevlar layer. However, having a spall liner wouldn't save a tank from catastrophic explosion, the reason being that the spall liner is only there to stop the HEAT fragments after the majority of it has been stopped by the main armor. The reason why you see so much T-72's doing the "hat trick" is because, though they do have a spall liner, the majority of the rounds hit the sides of the T-72, which armor is too thin to stop the round enough for the spall liner to do it's thing. Unless you have good enough main armor, a spall liner is just more material to penetrate.
 

delft

Brigadier
Really the differences which underlie the different designs is from different doctrines. The Soviets took their lessons from WW2 to heart and designed the bulk of (land) military equipment to be easy to manufacture, rugged, and with a short life expectancy (since they will be lost in battle anyway). This in contrast to Western procurement systems which incentivised arms companies to gold plate their offerings with all the latest and greatest so they can demand a higher price.

Another doctrinal difference was how the tanks would have been used. The grand contingency for both sides was an armored attack through Europe, in places like the Fulda gap, with massive tank armies of the soviet union. The Soviets designed their tanks for the attack, using a hi-low combination of T-64 (high) and T-72 (low). The T-64s were more advanced, with the best sensors and equipment the Soviets could offer, and were to spearhead the attack. The T-72 were supposed to exploit the breakthroughs made by the T-64 tank armies and wreck havoc behind the front lines of the western armies. Hence, the T-64s were designed with better protection and firepower, while the T-72s were supposed to be cheaper, numerous, and mobile. It had less protection (and emphasized side protection and protection from infantry anti-tank weapons more) because it was supposed to be confronting the opposition's non-front-line forces (logistics, bases etc).

The West designed their tanks for the defense. Hence the massive frontal armor and massive turrets. The tanks were to sit in prepared entrenched positions and pick-off the soviet armor as it advanced, and then retreat to the next line of prepared positions, to deny the Soviets the breakthrough they were seeking. The tanks didn't have to be as numerous, since they had only a few strategic choke points to guard, but they had to be individually difficult to destroy. They didn't have to be as strategically mobile, hence mass was not as big of an issue.

Attached is a 3-view blowup of a T-72BM
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You can see the hull front armor is substantial and composite. The hull side armor at the vertical part is the standard 80mm. At the angled part it is thinner.

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Really, until the M1 appeared, the Soviets did not have worse tanks. The T-62,64,72 were clearly superior to the M-60. The M1 and the T-80 (its contemporary) compared quite closely. Only with the M1A1 and later did the US have an arguable advantage over Soviet Union/Russia.
I remember reading an article in International Defence Review in the mid -'80's and written by a British Field Marshall, whose name I do not remember anymore, that said that in case of war in Europe NATO would be defending itself in Eastern Germany or Poland. I understand that the talk about Fulda Gap was just propaganda. I remember NATO introducing the term "forward defense" much earlier. Was that around 1970?
 

challenge

Banned Idiot
加拿大《汉和防务评论》月刊2月号发表文章称,99式主战坦克似乎再度进行了改良,该刊把2009年阅兵式亮相的99式称作99g,这一次改良之后称作99g1。

  文章指出,从公开的99g1图片可以看出其改良方向。首先是底盘有所变动,尤其是底盘后段略微隆起,更像是出口型的mbt2000主战坦克底盘,整个底盘的长度有所缩短,这极有可能表明换装了新的发动机和变速器。最重要的是强化其防御能力,因此在炮塔前部安装了新型的模块化反应装甲,似乎是三层,早期只有一层,这意味着坦克的重量将会增加至少5吨以上。滑膛炮显然还是125毫米,但是明显加长。

  最后的重点是主动防御系统,这是世界坦克的发展方向。韩国的k2坦克也安装了激光干扰器和毫米波雷达。在一张“新型坦克进行冬季测试”的雪地图片中,早在3年前99式坦克就已经安装了类似俄罗斯alanna毫米波雷达那样的系统,位于炮塔后部两个舱口之间,似乎是360度天线安装方式,总体尺寸似乎比alanna更小。与此同时依然保留了99式基本型配备的激光干扰系统。至关重要的还有观瞄系统,在99式基本型上安装的是第二代热成像系统,噪音较大,2000年以后,中国与法国的公司开始合作生产第三代热成像系统,是否安装在99g1上,依照目前的模糊照片无法确认。

  文章称,炮塔后部依然保留了两个燃油箱,仅这一点就可以说明,中国坦克还具备俄式风格。总体上说中国坦克的改良速度比俄罗斯要快很多,10年以来,99式坦克至少进行了三次大改,最新的改良型似乎还在测试之中,并未发现已经制式化装备部队的照片。

  

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according to the latest issue of kanwa,type-99 tank continue to evolve,latest variant is type-99G1.
improvement was made on transmission and powerpack,new modular armour,earlier version of modular armour contain only one layer,but latest variant contain 3 layer,this increase additional 5 ton, the tank retain the 125mm gun,but slighly longer barrel.
tank may be undergoes development,3 years ago picture of tank emerge in the internet showing carrying what appear to be Alanna MMW radar system,but slightly smaller than russian counterpart.but retain laser jamming device.
the earlier tank uses gen.2 IR imaging which is very noisy,but the latest gen. using gen-3 IR imaging.
 

nikhil991

Just Hatched
Registered Member
very comprehensive reply, thank you, i hope we will have more material to discuss on the ZTZ-99 to come :)

Indias Agni V will definatley overcome this!!

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very comprehensive reply, thank you, i hope we will have more material to discuss on the ZTZ-99 to come :)

Indias Agni V will definatley overcome this!!
Even land based Brahmos too adds India
 

vesicles

Colonel
Indias Agni V will definatley overcome this!!

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Indias Agni V will definatley overcome this!!
Even land based Brahmos too adds India

Agni V is an intermediate-range ballistic missile and BrahMos is a supersonic cruise missile. Are you saying using ballistic and cruise missiles to hit a tank?
 

escobar

Brigadier
type 96A MBT

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IronsightSniper

Junior Member
Btw, doing the math, those boxes on the side of the turret are about 450 mm thick, so neglecting the steel shell and whatever they may happen to put in there, that box should provide about 110 mm of protection v.s. HEAT rounds.
 
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