There has recently be some doubts cast on the stability of the Western European countries and even on their security from intra-regional war because of the financial and economic turmoil. And of course selling those Leo's had everything to do with money. We have little or no submarines left but we do want frigates to defend our West-Indian islands against Venezuela and to interfere in countries in Africa or Asia in support of US policies.
New Type98/99 MBT thread
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RedMercury
Junior Member
Heh I can't resist. Tanks are more expensive than ATGM teams, so I can put more out there and cover more ground. If you bring arty into it, so can I. I will use anti-tank submunition or laser guided rounds. In anycase, my ATGM teams can dig in and be resistant to all but a direct arty hit.
Red___Sword
Junior Member
I think there is no way to end a war-game play without someone unconvinced, on paper, by typing, so since Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 are available now, you can settle the claims by one team driving combat vehicles one team grap some ATGMs and engage each other to find it out.
A silly question: What on advertisement (it's only on adverticement yet) that ZTZ99 and Japan's Type-10 have advantages over each other?
A silly question: What on advertisement (it's only on adverticement yet) that ZTZ99 and Japan's Type-10 have advantages over each other?
MwRYum
Major
Before the fat pilot (or other mods) comes in to set things straight (this topic veered off very badly, one might say), let's not forget the lesson the Israeli learned during he Yom Kippur War - neither tanks nor infantry should be on their own, and it's application of offense / defense that matters the use of MBT / infantry ATGM teams / artillery, or essentially the combination of then all plus aviation support.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
If you are looking for that one tank too rule them all You are not going too find it. ( although the case could be made that the Leopard2 is prety much Planet Earths offical main battle tank, If you make the Kalashnikov Earths offical assault rifle and browning the most common pistol)
That said I think You will find what you could call a standard For new top of the line main battle tanks. that is features that seem too be becoming more and more present and rampant these include a modern auto loader for the main gun ( regardless of caliber), remote weapon stations, Soft and hard kill active protection systems, adjustable suspensions and modular armor packs. all or most of these features are seen in the French Leclerc, Korean K2 black panther, The new Turkish Altay, Japans Type 10, the polish WPB Anders, the Croatian M-95 Degman ( based on the same T72 platform as the Russian T90 series) The latest Merkava and the Chinese Own Type 99KM. The Russian "Universal Combat Platform T-99 Armada" Is expected too have much of this as well If the hype is correct ( rumors have it the Object 195 prototype did too.).
The Driving force being the fact as proven by Realities faced in combat by Russians, The US, and the Israelis.
Tanks are not just facing off against tanks in fact more often the enemy's have no tanks at all. What they do have is cheaper and cheaper more effective antitank weapons, more and more light machine guns and bigger and bigger bombs. These combined with simple old school antitank berms and tank traps in Urban terrain force tank is to more and more likely points of ambush.
In order too prevent such as well as improve safety and protection reduction in crews, use of MG's well under armor and anti anti tank systems are moving too the norm. The Chinese Recognized this hence the KM modifications integration of active defense system. Moving this farther would be a remote commanders MG ( There is too my knowledge no indications of such. YET) Although the 155 mm gun is nice against armor A huge caliber like that would offer lots of HE in it's shell for anti infantry.
»Ø¸´: New Type98/99 MBT thread
MBT is needed to augment ground forces and concentrate firepower on land. The airforce or rocket forces can only do so much from the air before you put your own troops in danger of being killed by your own bombs/missiles. They must have heavy armor beside them to take territory.
Aircraft cannot take territory, neither can missiles. Troops are too soft to send out without heavy armour. Light infantry fighting vehicles are pretty shit and vulnerable, even with active defence schemes in place. Tanks feature far improved survivability.
MBT is needed to augment ground forces and concentrate firepower on land. The airforce or rocket forces can only do so much from the air before you put your own troops in danger of being killed by your own bombs/missiles. They must have heavy armor beside them to take territory.
Aircraft cannot take territory, neither can missiles. Troops are too soft to send out without heavy armour. Light infantry fighting vehicles are pretty shit and vulnerable, even with active defence schemes in place. Tanks feature far improved survivability.
Re: »Ø¸´: New Type98/99 MBT thread
heavy infantry fighting vehicle will be the solution... A heavy armour hull witout a big bulky turret.. just like israel Namer.
heavy infantry fighting vehicle will be the solution... A heavy armour hull witout a big bulky turret.. just like israel Namer.
Re: »Ø¸´: New Type98/99 MBT thread
You take out the turret. Save weight/logistic/oil and the turret space convert to infantry space to pack additional soldier in. A standard MBT can't pack footsoldier in except Merkava but that beast pack a whopping 68tons and can only pack 3-4 soldiers.
Namer can pack at least 10 soldiers excluding crews. Together with more lethal IFV, they can provide the fire power while at the same time protection soldiers needed against stronger heavy enemy firepower. Israel are slowly moving in these direction. So as western Europe countries, they are dumping MBT like Leopard 2 and going this way.
then what's the point of not having MBTs
You take out the turret. Save weight/logistic/oil and the turret space convert to infantry space to pack additional soldier in. A standard MBT can't pack footsoldier in except Merkava but that beast pack a whopping 68tons and can only pack 3-4 soldiers.
Namer can pack at least 10 soldiers excluding crews. Together with more lethal IFV, they can provide the fire power while at the same time protection soldiers needed against stronger heavy enemy firepower. Israel are slowly moving in these direction. So as western Europe countries, they are dumping MBT like Leopard 2 and going this way.
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