New sailless SSN (provisional)

GTI

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I think you are making a lot of assumptions here without any firm basis.

The problem is that there are many permutations of possibilities for all manner of roles for this submarine simply because we don't know its details. Heck most people can't even fully agree on its length or beam.


So if the question is "could a SSGN fit in a 120m length, 12m diameter submarine" -- the answer is yes. That's because there are absolutely permutations of the design with what we see where a credible heavy load of cruise missiles could be accommodated (e.g.: 09V likely has 8x tripack tubes for 24 missiles -- one could easily see 16x tripack tubes for 48 missiles in a 120m length submarine if the torpedo compartment is reduced to shift the command and crew compartments forward).

Alternatively, if the question is "could a 120m length, 12m diameter submarine be any other role which isn't a SSGN" -- the answer is also yes, because there are permutations of the design where a larger missile load isn't viable.



My recommendation is to stop trying to "pin down" what this thing's role is first.


Our job is to be quiet, listen and observe and see if any better photos emerge and then await what the Chinese language grapevine says.
Because as it stands, trying to debate its role where so much of its characteristics are unknown, is just a waste of space and time.
There would definitely be some merit in an SSGN that’s very stealthy, and very fast — able to zip across the Pacific, undetected, to launch positions off the coast of a certain country, and fast enough to outrun anything that’s trying to chase it on the surface and underwater.
 

bsdnf

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That still looks incredibly fat to me?
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I measured it with reference to the width of the drydock (~35m) and got this ridiculously large beam, though give a take a meter as the picture is at an angle but still conservatively this thing is still atleast 15-16m in beam.
I have no idea wtf this thing is, but it's definitely not the same as that SSN in JN.

095A or 096? I don't know, absolutely insane.
 

Tomboy

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Made the image a bit easier to see by using Lightroom, it appears not to have any sail at all! but has two "lines" running down the length of the hull (Possibly TAS fairing?) also some strange bump/blister at the stern of the submarine. No diving planes visible either but it could be retracted when being launched. Unfortunately, the crane is blocking the stern so we can't tell what it has for propulsion neither can we tell what type of steering arrangement it has.

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Using the same scale, this thing measures ~150m in length... 09VI?
 
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00CuriousObserver

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The image is super distorted but... what

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some guy posted it, I just repost

What is the source of this?
 
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