New J-10 thread II
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just a lot of propoganda the Chinese style, but the gist of it is that j-10 will be using a domestic engine. Not really a surprise, since I think some are already equipped with WS-10/A and in interviews early this year, they said J-10 had the option of equipping WS-10A. I guess no more orders of AL-31FN maybe.
Not really, they will continue to buy I think, just to maintain the relationship btwn Chinese and Russian engine industry. Russian is still advanced than Chinese in this field.
They will buy more if it's needed. Why should they buy more if WS-10A can achieve the specs of AL-31FN-M1?
anyway, more on this. It's just another article on equipping WS-10A on J-10. Nothing new. I think the issue here is that J-10 have been able to use WS-10A for a while, but with the increased production rate, they can fill the demand of J-10.
AL-31FM1 actually has more power than WS-10A. The engine produces 13,500kg, or somewhere around 32,000lbs. That exceeds even the Block 52+ F-16s in sheer thrust, and puts it in the same range as the engine of the Block 60/F-16E/F.
But really its a question of what China will decide. Despite Putin asking that China must address its trade imbalance of finished goods with Russia, Hu also laid policy last December that the PLA should rely as much more on its domestically made equipment.
As time flies without a renewal order, it is becoming likely that China will choose the WS-10A on its J-10s even at the expense of performance edge. Nonetheless some orders of AL-31FN are still possible for use as reserves. Another catalyst for the J-10 to WS-10A is the potential Pakistan order, and I don't think China and Pakistan wants to go through the engine issue for the second time.
But really its a question of what China will decide. Despite Putin asking that China must address its trade imbalance of finished goods with Russia, Hu also laid policy last December that the PLA should rely as much more on its domestically made equipment.
As time flies without a renewal order, it is becoming likely that China will choose the WS-10A on its J-10s even at the expense of performance edge. Nonetheless some orders of AL-31FN are still possible for use as reserves. Another catalyst for the J-10 to WS-10A is the potential Pakistan order, and I don't think China and Pakistan wants to go through the engine issue for the second time.
I am still not convinced that China will stop ordering Russian engine at the moment. Last year some source said another 300 were ordered(I can't remember where it was said now).
A New engine won't get muture until at least 5 years into batch production, WS-10A only entered design certification last year, not sure exactly when it got production certification, only after that it can enter the batch production.
A New engine won't get muture until at least 5 years into batch production, WS-10A only entered design certification last year, not sure exactly when it got production certification, only after that it can enter the batch production.
AmiGanguli
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Fishhead: while it may take a long time to "mature", that doesn't mean you don't use the engine. In fact it will never mature if it doesn't get used. The reason older designs are considered more mature is because they've been used and tweaked for so long.
Normally you just specify a shorter time-before-overhaul for a new design and inspect carefully for any signs of trouble.
... Ami.
Normally you just specify a shorter time-before-overhaul for a new design and inspect carefully for any signs of trouble.
... Ami.
Hmmm ... and I always thought the J-10 had a very "clean" and "smooth" surface !!
Maybe mass-production of the aircraft already takes it's toll. But somehow the feeling of this pic is ... strange.
If PLAAF intends to introduce J-10 in greater numbers, having two different engines shouldn't be that much of a problem.
Some J-10 regiments could evaluate WS-10A while others just have the edge on performance (AL-31) and see what a stronger engine can do with that plane.
AmiGanguli
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I think it's because the rivets and angle give it an alien/organic feel. Like the tentacle robots from The Matrix, or War of the Worlds.
Also the colours have been enhanced, either by a filter on the camera or some photoshopping afterwards.
... Ami.
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