New J-10 thread II

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lilzz

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what's the name of Chinese AESA radar using in the J-10A

August 17, 2007: China is touting the advanced electronics in their new J10A fighter. The J10A is using an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. AESA systems consist of thousands of tiny radars that make it possible to track many different targets simultaneously. China claims the J10A radar can track ten targets at once, and attack four of them simultaneously (with long range missiles). China has revealed other military AESA radars recently, indicating years of intense research and development in this area.


The J10 is also Chinese made. It looks something like the American F-16, and weighs about the same (19 tons). Like the F-16, and unlike the Su-27, the J10 has only one engine. Originally, the J10 used a Russian AL-31FN engine, but China has been working for a decade to manufacture their own version of this, the WS10A.


It's no accident that the J10 resembles the F-16, because Israel apparently sold them technology for the Israeli Lavi jet fighter. Israel abandoned the Lavi project, because of the high cost and availability of cheaper alternatives (buying F-16s and F-15s from the United States.) But the Lavi was meant to be a super F-16, and incorporated a lot of design ideas from the F-16 (which the Israelis were very familiar with, as they used them, and had developed new components for them.) China has about a dozen J10As in service, and will probably increase production once their WS10A engine is operational (which may be in a year or two.) China's extensive espionage efforts in the U.S. has long sought jet engine and AESA technology.

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AssassinsMace

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Strategypage article = bull. Another alarmist source where emotions rule and they can't decide whether China is inept or all powerful. I'm sure China is working on it but how would they know? Their contradictory thinking says it all.
 
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crobato

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One gets the same impression with the J10. The long slim clyndrical
look makes it look longer than the Typhoon, Rafale. and Grippen, as well as a little strange.Boy was I surprised, when checking out the dimensions, to find, it was shorter in length,and about the same as the Grippen. I thought the answer lay in the twin engines of the Typhoon and Rafale, but the single engine Grippen doesnt give that impression. Anyway cant wait to see a two seater twin engine version. By the way was it the J10/11 or something completely different,(such as a trainer)when the posters were speculating on the seating arrangements of a 2 seater, in whether it would be a tandem or side by side.

One also has to consider that the cockpit and canopy of the J-10 might be slightly smaller than with European aircraft, in order to fit the smaller statue of Chinese pilots. That can add to the impression of size, because you also relate the size of the canopy to the rest of the body.

We do know that the J-10 is only slightly longer than the FC-1 based on pictures where the two are together, and the FC-1 is about the same length of the F-16.

Also the J-10 does not have an AESA. There is already near confirmation that the J-10 only uses a slotted planar array, which is enough to track 10 targets (or even 20) and engage four of them. The idiot at Strategypage obviously don't know that Western and Russian slotted array planars could also do the same thing.
 

adeptitus

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Also the J-10 does not have an AESA. There is already near confirmation that the J-10 only uses a slotted planar array, which is enough to track 10 targets (or even 20) and engage four of them. The idiot at Strategypage obviously don't know that Western and Russian slotted array planars could also do the same thing.

Would this be the 1473/KLJ-3 radar?

Usually PLA radar is compared to US or Russian models, but I'm curious as to what everyone thinks about how it matches vs. European ones like RDM, RDY, & RDY-2 on Mirage-2000's.

Also, usually the comparison ranks distance to detect fighter-sized targets, # of targets actively tracked, # of missiles guided, etc. There's very little info that I can find on the multi-role capability, such as Synthetic Aperture Radar mode for ground attacks. :(
 

crobato

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Would this be the 1473/KLJ-3 radar?

That may be the original radar, but there is also now something called KLJ-7 or KLJ-10. One of them has to be the JF-17 radar, which leaves the other for the J-10.

Usually PLA radar is compared to US or Russian models, but I'm curious as to what everyone thinks about how it matches vs. European ones like RDM, RDY, & RDY-2 on Mirage-2000's.

Also, usually the comparison ranks distance to detect fighter-sized targets, # of targets actively tracked, # of missiles guided, etc. There's very little info that I can find on the multi-role capability, such as Synthetic Aperture Radar mode for ground attacks. :(

Hard to say without concrete data that is publicly available. But even in the radars in Europe and the US you won't find much concrete data either. Too many confidentiality and classified information.
 

PrOeLiTeZ

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If technology on European and American military hardware cannot be found on open sources then sure as hell Chinese hardware is near impossible then. Since basically no data has been given from PLA about any specifications on their military equipments.
 

AssassinsMace

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Does this mean this CGI J-10 variant is real. I tried uploading a pic of what looks like some PLA military conference and this render of a J-10 variant we've been seeing a while on the net is in the background of this meeting. The pic was too big for me to upload so here's a link.

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Undead Yogurt

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Can someone tell us what the press conference was about? And what is the point of this new J-10 variant? It's not carrier-capable is it?
 

mehdi

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Breaking News time, This could be the new Improved J-10. It does look Menacing. I hope it's true and not some made up news.

I can't wait for the confirmation.
 
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