New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

Overbom

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Any speculation on how Chinese EV companies will consolidate (if ever)?

I'm really stumbled by this question because there doesn't seem to be many obvious M&A opportunities for the Big 4 nowadays (BYD, Chery, Geely, Changan).

I guess one that makes sense is Changan absorbing FAW and Dongfeng's passenger car divisions. But that seems to be pretty much it.

In terms of weak old companies we still have:
SAIC (+Wuling)
GAC
GWM
JAC
BAIC
> Many of them are too strong to be absorbed by the Big 4 or have too many local political connections (like SAIC)

And we also have countless startups with high valuations like Nio, Xpeng, Li Auto, Leapmotor, Xiaomi, Jidu, Neta
> For these startups, it's really hard to decide which one will go bust or get absorbed first because there's no clear winner or loser. Neta has the weakest China sales but pretty strong overseas sales.

And we also have the Huawei-related companies: Seres (AITO), BAIC (Stelato), JAC (Zunjie), Chery (Luxeed)
> It's also hard to decide what happens to these companies. Seem to be in a sort of limbo where nobody knows what is the best structure for them.
they can either consolidate willingly or forced to close shop due to market forces

The best companies will grow faster, invest more in R&D, capture more market share -> reduces market share of weaker competitors which leads to competitors having reduced R&D -> reduced sales and repeat

what is actually important here is to drop/significantly reduce gov subsidies for all these carmakers so that market forces can play their role properly. maybe not now, but definitely in a year or two
 

bd popeye

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A new energy vehicle is on display at China (Taiyuan) International Energy Industry Expo 2024 in Taiyuan, north China's Shanxi Province, Sept. 11, 2024. The expo, which features special exhibition areas like wind power and photovoltaics, new energy storage, new energy vehicle and etc., is designed to demonstrate new technologies and products in the energy field. (All photos by Xinhua/Yang Chenguang)
 

sndef888

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Some recent movements by SGMW for both Wuling and Baojun

Infamous Wuling Hongguang now has a EV version starting at just 69,000
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Wuling Starlight SUV version
It actually does look pretty value for money. 510km BEV version for 119k
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Launch of Baojun Yunhai
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And a new sedan called Baojun Yunguang
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Bellum_Romanum

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Germans want to work 32 hours per week yet want to enjoy 1st world welfare with guaranteed jobs. As a result of western MSM brainwashing, western people such as Germans are never aware of the fact that their dream living style was built on top of comparative advantages. Now some of those comparative advantages are fleeting faster than their politicians dare to inform them, everyone behaves as if it was a shell shock. After that, their MSM lords tell them to blame Chinese or whoever work to beat them in their own games. But they never try to look into root causes and have their soul searching. Tariffs on Chinese EV ......
I made almost the same exact post I left on renewable energy sources thread after getting triggered upon reading an ignoramus post from a "brilliant" think tanker working for an "award winning" think tank in Europe. The amount of copium and hopium from that person's commentary left me fuming.
 

tankphobia

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I agree.

Ford, GM, and Stellantis should follow suit and partner up with Chinese companies too. Idk how they do it or how they hide it, but plz get me a BYD Han in the states.

Plz.

At the very least, they need to get the battery tech and start a plant in US. Even if US Congress puts up a bajillion barriers.

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This is the only way it'll work really IMO. Legacy automakers are just way too behind at this point.
BYD is basically a shining example of Chinese innovation, to allow them in country is to admit that the US legacy automakers are inferior. The establishment will not allow such a humiliation. They would rather pump up the subsidies, increase the tariffs.

With the ridiculous home field advantage they have in terms of gas extraction, there is no pressing need for a transition to NEVs. The status quo benefits everybody except the consumer.
 

HighGround

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BYD is basically a shining example of Chinese innovation, to allow them in country is to admit that the US legacy automakers are inferior. The establishment will not allow such a humiliation. They would rather pump up the subsidies, increase the tariffs.

With the ridiculous home field advantage they have in terms of gas extraction, there is no pressing need for a transition to NEVs. The status quo benefits everybody except the consumer.

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Failure of GM's EV transition if you're interested.

But also, looking at the Ultium architecture, speceifically the battery part of it, it's at least an entire generation behind current Chinese batteries. It is still primarily a module based approach.

Meanwhile, CATL had a roadmap for several different chemistries to target different price segments... It's just a night and day difference.
 

supercat

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Another Chinese car got Euro NCAP 5-star rating:

Very important:
China has strongly advised its automakers to ensure that advanced EV technology stays at home and encouraged them to export knock-down kits to foreign factories for final assembly, according to Bloomberg.
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China Asks Its Carmakers to Keep Key EV Technology at Home​

  • Firms encouraged to export knock-down kits, assemble locally
  • India, Turkey mentioned specifically with regard to investment
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In light of China's new policy above, I'm not sure if it's a good idea for CATL to license its LFP battery technologies to Japan's TDK.

GM in Talks to Buy Chinese Batteries Made in US by Japan’s TDK​

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