New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

4Runner

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Li Auto doing huge layoffs in BEV and ADAS teams. BEV plans haven't gone well. Li Auto also over expanded

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With Huawei releasing Qiankun ADS 3.0 in June while most others are behind ADS 2.0, small houses are all in panic mode. The preliminary approval of Tesla FSD also signals that by the time FSD is hitting Chinese road, the competing ADS would be 3.0 and beyond. By my judgement, ADS 3.0 is already L3 capable while how FSD meets challenges of Chinese town roads will remain to be seen. In this context, it is no surprise at all that car companies from Toyota, GM, VW, BMW, Mercedes etc. have all announced surrenders. Qiankun ADS, FSD, BYD and everybody else ......
 

B.I.B.

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A few days ago I posted about the rise of Kia in the Australian market this past decade and what Chinese brands seeking to establish themselves here can learn from that experience. Kia Australia's CEO, Damien Meredith, was recently
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on the implications of the rise of China for the Australian vehicle market. I have excerpted (and lightly edited for brevity) some sections below:



Local Kia executives also
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the implications of importing Kia vehicles to Australia from Chinese production facilities, beginning with the EV5:



So Kia Australia's perspective is that China is coming to rewrite the commercial landscape, but things are still looking up for Kia themselves, in part because they plan to increasingly produce vehicles for export in China. It's an interesting juxtaposition of ideas, but not an unreasonable one. I think the most dubious aspect of Mr. Meredith's comments is the idea that Hyundai and Kia can both achieve 100k sales/yr going forward. Comparing 2014 and 2023 sales volumes, Kia has picked up an additional 48k sales/yr, but the combined Hyundai-Kia tally has only increased by 23k sales/yr, from 128k to 151k. That is to say, a considerable proportion of Kia's growth this past decade has come at the expense of Hyundai. Probably he just didn't want to get into the Hyundai vs. Kia family feud in this interview.
One thing though, Unlike Japan and Korea who tune their car suspensions to Australian and NZ driving conditions, China has yet to feel the need to do so .Most Australians and NZders preder a stiffer suspension which matches their roads and handling preferences.
 

Gloire_bb

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Li Auto doing huge layoffs in BEV and ADAS teams. BEV plans haven't gone well. Li Auto also over expanded
Mega looks like a weird screwup from them.
Like, they did engineering extremely well(considering that's literally their first BEV), but expecting it to be their expansion driver, at this pricepoint, was...like were they high for the whole dev cycle?
 

tankphobia

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Yadea in Vietnam is a huge success and a good model for BYD having long term presence there for EVs
2 Wheelers is going to be the main battleground for EVs in ASEAN due to their economic condition and congestion, however there's a low barrier of entry hence competition will be extremely fierce, becoming an OEM rather than activity joining in the competition seems like a better play for BYD in this regard.
 
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