New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

broadsword

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Except Reuters can publish virtually any rumor they see fit while Musk is in big trouble if he's lying to investors. You have to distinguish between ambition and promise - especially as it's clearly going to be legal and not technical hurdles to overcome.

No, it may not have anything to do with lying. A change in the market outlook may force a change in business planning. Business decision-making does not always go according to plan and hope. If the monetary liquidity tightens, property developers may scrap further building of condos, if the oil price shoots up higher than expected, a new refinery may have to be postponed, etc.

Anyway, IIRC, Musk has been adept at fending off regulators.
 

BlackWindMnt

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It is fairly common in Silicon Valley culture to promise people things you don't have yet. i.e. vaporware.
Sometimes those things never get developed into working products at all. And sometimes there are real scams. Like Theranos.
Pretty much I have now experience two potential the omniscience births. First with the deep learning hype 6 years ago and now it's with the LLM hype.

Elon biggest tesla mistake will be his view on lidar and how it's not needed.
 

sndef888

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GUANGZHOU -- Dongfeng Motor Group has logged its first full-year net loss since the major state-owned Chinese automaker's 2005 listing in Hong Kong, dragged down by plunging profits from joint ventures with Japanese partners.

The company reported Thursday a 3.9 billion yuan ($540 million) loss for 2023, reversing the year-earlier 10.2 billion yuan profit.
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No longer can SOEs like Dongfeng get free cash off their joint ventures to fund their uncompetitive brands.
I wonder if talks of a Changan Dongfeng FAW merger may come back just like a few years ago.
 

henrik

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There's not much demand for small cars in the US. For Model 2 to succeed, it must get most of its sales from outside of the protected US market, meaning it will have to compete against low cost Chinese EVs.

Why don't they manufacture and sell model 2 in India which is a big market for small cars?
 

sndef888

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Aiways is among at least three struggling Chinese electric vehicle makers getting a new lease on life after the industry was touted as a “new productive force” in a slogan coined by President Xi Jinping to promote the development of advanced technology.
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stalled because of low sales, halted production and stopped paying its workers mid-last year. The company is working to resume production and will focus on exports rather than the domestic market, according to local media reports
Zhidou Electric Vehicles, a maker of microcars that went bankrupt in 2019, said it’s completed a restructuring with the help of Aima Technology Group and automaker Geely. It has resumed production and will launch a new EV called Zhidou Rainbow in April, according to a March 7 post on its official Wechat account.
Haima Automobile, which has been losing money amid poor sales for years, in January transferred its management and assets to an entity backed by the Zhengzhou municipal government in central China, where the automaker has a factory producing the EX00 electric minivan.

“New productive force” became a buzzword during this year’s National People’s Congress — and was defined by state news agency Xinhua as high efficiency and high quality production that’s mainly driven by technological innovation, in contrast to conventional production that relies on large amounts of investment.
The term popped up in the resurrection of both Zhidou and Haima. Ren Zhenhe, the governor of Gansu province, where the Zhidou factory is located, visited the plant Tuesday, and said he was happy with the start of output and hoped the automaker can develop rapidly to enhance “new productive forces,” according to a post by the company.
Meantime, the government of Zhengzhou — the new home of Haima Auto — said it’s building up its “new productive forces,” with one being the creation of an EV manufacturing base with a goal of reaching annual production capacity of 1.4 million cars.

The revival of the trio of zombie EV makers is a risky bet in China’s crowded, hyper-competitive auto market. Only a third of the top dozen manufacturers hit their sales target last year, and the industry has been embroiled in a bruising price war that has shrunk markets.
The government has also sent mixed messages, with a senior official earlier this year criticizing local authorities for excessive investments in the EV industry.
One danger for any new local-government backers is whether EV makers that are resurrected ultimately become another drag on municipal finances.
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Very bad news. Aiways, Zhidou and Haima are getting revived by local governments who like throwing money into the sea. I hope this doesn't become a trend.
 

tamsen_ikard

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You know, I always had that little bit of worry that Tesla could really storm the world, sell 10-20 million EVs a year and allow the US to regain competitiveness in automotive

Thank you Musk for putting my worry to rest
Elon Musk doesn't know how to run a business. He knows how to create startups for sure, but when the startup needs to switch from bleeding money to attain a profitable business, that's when Elon Musk falls. He just sells that business and moves to a new business.
 

tphuang

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Very bad news. Aiways, Zhidou and Haima are getting revived by local governments who like throwing money into the sea. I hope this doesn't become a trend.
It would be good if you stop reading these trash news and just read what I have to write.

Zhengzhou has one of the largest BYD plants, obviously it's going to be a major EV manufacturing base.

If these companies can find local investors to waste money on them, I have no issues. people aren't going to buy their cars, so they are just going to go kaput soon enough. What's the big deal?
 
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