New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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on a separate note, they signed agreement for another battery factory. This time in Xuzhou, Jiangsu and will start production in December.
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They are just never stopping.
It will be an interesting trend to watch this year on them prioritizing new models vs increased production. Last year, they probably ended up delaying launching of certain model like Sea Lion due to push to increase production in second half.
 
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I know this is Chinese NEV thread, but did anyone see the new Honda-Sony JV car?
It's a laughable marketing jargonfest with no actual objective qualities
Range? Charging speed? Power/acceleration? Battery Chemistry? Unique qualities (i.e. crabwalk, tank-turn, etc.)?
Nothing!
My prediction: Uniquely styled version of a next gen Chevy Bolt with a PS5 shoved inside and all the screens are have a "BRAVIA" label and the cellphone software is called XPERIA... also a special Spider-Man edition
 
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tphuang said:
What a day. here is a nice article on the tech developed by BYD that got unveiled today.
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I did some summaries here
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1611035802091266049
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1611038227024211968
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1611044199607984130

Pretty amazing stuff. the tech is certainly off the notch here.
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The motor confirms that BYD is using serial hybrid (combustion engine acts solely as a generator) with wheels solely driven by electric motor, and not a parallel hybrid like Toyota/Honda where the combustion engine is still mechanically coupled to the wheels.

I'd assume that this allows BYD to have vastly simplified transmissions and adjust speed/direction fully electronically.
 
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supersnoop said:
I know this is Chinese NEV thread, but did anyone see the new Honda-Sony JV car?
It's a laughable marketing jargonfest with no actual objective qualities
Range? Charging speed? Power/acceleration? Battery Chemistry? Unique qualities (i.e. crabwalk, tank-turn, etc.)?
Nothing!
My prediction: Uniquely styled version of a next gen Chevy Bolt with a PS5 shoved inside and all the screens are have a "BRAVIA" label and the cellphone software is called XPERIA... also a special Spider-Man edition
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Japanese were historically a collection of warring shogunates before the industrial and cold war era. Their true status is exemplified by this car.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
The motor confirms that BYD is using serial hybrid (combustion engine acts solely as a generator) with wheels solely driven by electric motor, and not a parallel hybrid like Toyota/Honda where the combustion engine is still mechanically coupled to the wheels.

I'd assume that this allows BYD to have vastly simplified transmissions and adjust speed/direction fully electronically.
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I also thinks that it's generally just a lot more efficient to have it like this. They are going to come out with a new dual motor tech this year which I assume would be even more efficient.

I think this shows the advantage of a newer player. Your technology isn't held back by legacy technology. Given byd started off as a battery company, it was always more logical for them to go the route of using purely electric motor and control.
 
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Lethe said:
Australia 2022 Full-Year Sales:

MG (SAIC) finished in 7th position with 49,582 sales. In December MG was the #5 selling brand for the month, a record result.
GWM finished in 13th position with 25,042 sales, just behind Nissan.
LDV (SAIC) finished 17th with 16,269 sales.
BYD finished 31st with 2119 sales after launching late in the year.

(Other news: Toyota continues to rule here with an iron fist, recording 231,000 sales, 21.3% of the entire market. Second place was Mazda at 95,718. Kia recorded its best ever year in Australia, finishing third with 78,330 sales. Tesla finished 16th with 19,594 sales, which gives some indication of how Australia is a less electric-friendly market than Europe or even USA, and yes all those Teslas come from Shanghai. Regrettably, the American "full-size trucks" are beginning to make real inroads here, with RAM finishing 25th with 6149 sales, and it being all but confirmed now that Toyota will be bringing the Tundra and Ford the F-150 to address that market. I can only hope that the cost of RHD conversion is enough to keep these behemoths a distinctly niche prospect in Australia.)
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I despise the growing popularity of American pick up trucks in Australia, our infrastructure is simply not built for cars of that size! Seeing those fuel guzzling behemoths take up two car spots with half it's back sticking out is annoying to say the least. It seems that over the years the utes are just getting bigger and bigger as some sort of ego check for young tradies.

The reluctant market for Australia in EV is understandable due to a multitude of factors relatively sparse charging infrastructure, small incentive from government compared to rest of world and also range anxiety due to vast distance between major cities. It should improve with the new government due to heavier emphasis on curbing our emissions and moving towards EVs seems to be a easy political win.

Ultimately even the cheapest EV in Australia is still more expensive than a Camry or Carolla hybrid, so unless some major changes occur I don't see the status quo changing much.
 
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tankphobia said:
I despise the growing popularity of American pick up trucks in Australia, our infrastructure is simply not built for cars of that size! Seeing those fuel guzzling behemoths take up two car spots with half it's back sticking out is annoying to say the least. It seems that over the years the utes are just getting bigger and bigger as some sort of ego check for young tradies.

The reluctant market for Australia in EV is understandable due to a multitude of factors relatively sparse charging infrastructure, small incentive from government compared to rest of world and also range anxiety due to vast distance between major cities. It should improve with the new government due to heavier emphasis on curbing our emissions and moving towards EVs seems to be a easy political win.

Ultimately even the cheapest EV in Australia is still more expensive than a Camry or Carolla hybrid, so unless some major changes occur I don't see the status quo changing much.
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A bit OT from EVs but I hope new GWM offerings like these can make an impact in Australia
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It used to be an ironclad rule that Chinese fossils didn't come with engine displacements larger than 2.0 liters (for tax reasons), so imagine my surprise when I see this with a 3.0 liter V6 (and a very respectable one at that).
 
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tphuang said:
I also thinks that it's generally just a lot more efficient to have it like this. They are going to come out with a new dual motor tech this year which I assume would be even more efficient.

I think this shows the advantage of a newer player. Your technology isn't held back by legacy technology. Given byd started off as a battery company, it was always more logical for them to go the route of using purely electric motor and control.
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Huge advantages to going serial hybrid over parallel:

1. Combustion engine can run in the most efficient mode at all times with no regard for mechanical coupling with wheels. Typically mechanical coupling forces engine throttling when speed or load changes. Geely reported 40%+ efficiency which is equal to the top tier power stations.

2. Full direct electronic control over the wheels meaning both more precision and lighter weight of not needing a complex transmission and drivetrain system and no inefficiency from mechanical losses, friction, etc.

3. Reduce maintenance complexity by taking the possibility of drivetrain failure.

But also has the advantage of the raw power density of fossil fuels that regular EV doesn't have which is good for vehicles with range/load concerns, including military vehicles in the future.
 
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