New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

ansy1968 said:

@voyager1 I'm not an admirer of Xiaomi, they follow the business concept of Apple as a result they are more of an incremental innovator not like Huawei.

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I think Xiaomi has a strange but an innovative ecosystem. All these smart devices they have would be an attractive ecosystem for normal people. Now add the the car on top of it and I foresee that Xiaomi would be able to offer a very competitive product/ecosystem.

I am just waiting for Xiaomi to refine their smart home devices on a singular platform and then connect their car on it. That would be gamechanging feature of Xiaomi products

Toyota's boss is not a great believer in EV's and believes it would place a big financial cost on the country. IMO the problems Japan will encounter as it made the switch by 2035 would be faced by many countries including China.

voyager1 said:

I think Xiaomi has a strange but an innovative ecosystem. All these smart devices they have would be an attractive ecosystem for normal people. Now add the the car on top of it and I foresee that Xiaomi would be able to offer a very competitive product/ecosystem.

I am just waiting for Xiaomi to refine their smart home devices on a singular platform and then connect their car on it. That would be gamechanging feature of Xiaomi products

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Does Xiaomi offer tractors and combine harvesters lol

B.I.B. said:

Toyota's boss is not a great believer in EV's and believes it would place a big financial cost on the country. IMO the problems Japan will encounter as it made the switch by 2035 would be faced by many countries including China.

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His opinion about EVs doesn't matter. The EU and China have already decided that EVs are the future, so if Toyota wants to retain its marketshare there it means it will have to invest significantly on EVs (which is already doing from what I know)

And Japan"s total upgrade cost is not that much, its only 125 - 330 billion dollars over 15 years if Japan cant manage this low cost then maybe it can ask for help from China...

China itself is going full steam ahead on energy production as this will help its own domestic renewable energy to grow even more and grab even more export share. And lets not forget about energy security, so there is strategic requirement for having complete energy security in order to eliminate strategic vulnerabilities

Toyota invested too much of its resources into fuel cell. That's why its CEO is complaining. It is not that Toyota's CEO really dislikes EV but rather Toyota has made the wrong bet and needed time to catch up with its competitors.

Toyota has had an unreasonable stance against EVs.

I do not know exactly why they are so stubborn about it. They had hybrids already. Yet they took ages until they even added plug-in hybrid functionality to the Prius. That is how much they hate electric. You could only charge the battery of the Prius with the gas engine for years.

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles have much the same, no, actually more problems with fuel generation than EVs because all available processes to manufacture hydrogen are energy intensive and/or dirty. Also the cost of the fuel cells themselves is still higher than the cost of a battery pack despite them spending like 3 decades on it. Anyone with half a brain would have quit hydrogen fuel cell vehicles by this time. It only has one advantage that is quick charging. But unlike with EVs you can't refuel just anywhere. You need a station which has hydrogen so that would mean you would need to revamp the entire gas station network. It is so retarded on so many levels I don't know how they continue with this. It might only make sense for long distance trucking or buses. But even in there it has failed thus far.

Hydrocarbon fuel cells (i.e. methane or methanol) might make sense, some day, if they ever get them working properly for automotive. But the hydrogen fuel cells are complete rubbish.

Ironic since Toyota introduced the Prius to the world that really started the trend they don't like.

I guess Prius is still a hybrid, or rather a plug in hybrid nowadays, not 100% EV.

Problem is Toyota has invested billions in fuel cell technology and therefore is not that willing to let it go away.

Volkswagen to rename itself as Voltswagen.

Ok that's Volkswagen's April Fool's prank.


But it does show how the company is throwing full bet on electric powered vehicles. Not that long ago, their bet on diesels as the economy powerplant of the future failed, and Volkswagen was accused of doctoring emissions data.

This completes the full historical irony of VW's founder, Ferdinand Porsche, who built his first automobile as electric, and originally saw his vision of the automobile as being electric. He also oversaw the creation of the first hybrid tank, the Tiger (P) which led to the disastrous Elefant antitank destroyer.





He probably would be very satisfied at the way how cars are going electric now, well over a hundred years ago after the first ever EV was built.

US lead sanctioning on xinjiang cotton is sabotage China largest export industry, textile. Trump sabotaged on China tech industry and now Biden used human rights as excuse to lead EU and others sanction on xinjiang cotton..
Sabotage is key element in US attack on China industry, one at a time. Textile is China largest export and Xinjiang cotton made up 80% of China cotton production.

maybe China should learn that and sanctioning US company one at a time.

If nothing else , an eye for an eye.