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Skywatcher

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I suppose it'd have a use defending fixed facilities against hypersonic cruise missiles (I'm trying to think of a surface combatant that could take such a theoretical Gatling cannon though, even putting that thing on the Type 055 in front of the bridge might mess with the center of gravity).
 
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dingyibvs

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FORBIN said:
VLS

Chinese combattants use 3 VLS :

In italic no completely sure

Universal VLS for DDG 052D, long and medium ,

Longer variant
Cell's of 9 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
Can fit in a cell :
1 SAM HQ-9
or 1 ASW CY-5
or 1 LACM CJ-10
or 1 AShM YJ-18
or 4 DK-10A SAM
Rate of fire max ?

Medium variant
Cell's of 7 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
Can fit in a cell :
1 SAM HHQ-9
or 1 ASW CY-5
or 4 DK-10A SAM
Rate of fire max ?

Small variant
Cell's of 3.3 x 0.85 m, hot/cold lauching,
Can fit in a cell :
or 1 ASW CY-5
or 4 DK-10A SAM
Rate of fire max ?

HHQ-16 ? VLS for FFG 054A
Cell's of ? about 4/5 x 0.60 m, hot lauching,
Can fit in a cell :
1 SAM HQ-16
or 1 ASW CY-5
Rate of fire max ?

Russian B-203A S-300F «Fort» SAM system initialy for SA-N-6/20 after HHQ-9 for DDG 052C, 051C
Revolver system
Big " VLS " system SA-N-20 do 7.5 m x 0.52 cm
Can fit in a cell :
1 SAM S-300F/SA-N-6 ; S-300FM/SA-N-20 ; HHQ-9
Rate of fire max 20 miss/mn

If some have more infos your welcome... :)
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Seems like a single universal VLS should be able to fit 4 HQ-16s, no?
 
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Insignius

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New long range SAM tested on PLAN test ship Bi Sheng.
055 only, as it needs the full length 9m cells.

Looks like it has a huge booster.

Question now would be if this is the long rumored HQ-26/SM-3 equivalent, or the ultra long range SAM.


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SinoSoldier

SinoSoldier

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Insignius said:
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New long range SAM tested on PLAN test ship Bi Sheng.
055 only, as it needs the full length 9m cells.

Looks like it has a huge booster.

Question now would be if this is the long rumored HQ-26/SM-3 equivalent, or the ultra long range SAM.


34nmhb6.jpg

2mhiki1.gif

33k3llv.gif
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Interesting; the body of the missile implies that it has at least two stages. This could very well be the long-rumored HQ-26, which allegedly ran into developmental problems and thus delaying its testing.
 
Blitzo

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Insignius said:
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New long range SAM tested on PLAN test ship Bi Sheng.
055 only, as it needs the full length 9m cells.

Looks like it has a huge booster.

Question now would be if this is the long rumored HQ-26/SM-3 equivalent, or the ultra long range SAM.


34nmhb6.jpg

2mhiki1.gif

33k3llv.gif
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I imagine 052D should also have 9m universal VLS...
 
SinoSoldier

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Bltizo said:
I imagine 052D should also have 9m universal VLS...
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Not necessarily. A 7-meter VLS (which is one of the three options for the CCL) would still be sufficient to carry the CJ-10 missile, giving the 052D multirole capabilities.

I don't think we've ever came across evidence that BM defense was a role for the 052D.
 
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Insignius

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Yeah, the size of the plume (and blackness of the smoke) does indeed have something of a space-rocket.

But I dont know whether an ABM needs such a big rocket booster. That is, if the HQ-26 really is the ABM missile...

From the comments in the weibo, most seem to say that it might be a Chinese SM-6 equivalent. Maybe with secondary ABM capability.
 
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SinoSoldier said:
Not necessarily. A 7-meter VLS (which is one of the three options for the CCL) would still be sufficient to carry the CJ-10 missile, giving the 052D multirole capabilities.

I don't think we've ever came across evidence that BM defense was a role for the 052D.
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I'm not suggesting BMD is meant to be a role for 052D.

But if this new missile is indeed a long range SAM as I believe it most likely is, then it would make sense to allow older ships to be backwards compatible as well.

Actually no, scratch that -- it would make sense for 052D to have the longer 9m long VLS to allow it to be forward compatible with new munitions that would inevitably be developed in coming years and decades for the 9m long VLS.



So the question we should be asking is simply what length VLS the 052D has.
 
SinoSoldier

SinoSoldier

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Insignius said:
Yeah, the size of the plume (and blackness of the smoke) does indeed have something of a space-rocket.
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How exactly do you tell what type of rocket it is from the plume? The "black smoke" is merely compressed gas emanating from the VLS cell while the plume is entirely dependent on the type of solid rocket booster.
 
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