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AssassinsMace

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I knew someone who told me if an Asian woman that could be a complete stranger refused to have sex with him, he was a victim of racism. Anyone can spin what is racism and he interpreted if she refuses sex with him, it was because of his race. How does he know it will be about race? How would he know what she was thinking? And this is a scenario that has not been played out in reality and he already knows it's racism. Same logic here trying to portray Chinese racism as something that stands out more than any other. But what's really happening with the guy thinking he's a victim of racism because an Asian woman won't have sex with him on command is simply spin. He spinning what is by definition rape so that the intended victim is now the criminal if she doesn't let him rape her. And in his mind to ease so he doesn't think it's rape, the victim has been forced to volunteer to be raped. Intimidation from being called a racist is the gun to the head to make the victim say "yes" and then it's not rape. It's much like Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin saying if a rapist rapes a woman and she becomes pregnant, it's not rape because he believes female biology rejects and prevents impregantion if it were truly not voluntary. So if a woman becomes pregnant, it's because she was actually okay with the rapist having sexual intercourse with her. That's called spin. That's the spin we're hearing about how Bruce Lee was actually more a victim of Chinese racism than Western racism.

Interesting all this because of the spin that Bruce Lee was actually a victim of Chinese racism and not Western racism. With that kind of logic, someone can easily spin how it was the Jewish people's fault for the Holocaust.
 
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bladerunner

Banned Idiot
That's called spin. That's the spin we're hearing about how Bruce Lee was actually more a victim of Chinese racism than Western racism.

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That's something you would have to ask Bruce Lee's wife and children . I think unlike Hollywood ,the HK film moguls saw Bruce Lee as a bankable product and used him for just that. However that does'nt mean that they had to accept him.

While I think most cultures are reserved when it comes to accepting children of mixed parent, anecdotal evidence that I have come across would suggest that Asian societies are less welcoming in that respect.

In N.Z. the offspring of Chinese Maori /Polynesian cohabitation, were not welcome amongst the China society, therefore the children stayed with the maternal side for their cultural upbringing.

It certainly wasn't a conscious decision made on the part of the Chinese element to make it easier for the child to gain acceptance in the wider European community, because the Maori in many ways was worse off than his Chinese counterpart. For instance a Maori had alcohol restrictrictions placed upon them. Could not sit upstairs at the theatres and until the 60's could not work in the "Bank of New Zealand"
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
That's something you would have to ask Bruce Lee's wife and children . I think unlike Hollywood ,the HK film moguls saw Bruce Lee as a bankable product and used him for just that. However that does'nt mean that they had to accept him.

While I think most cultures are reserved when it comes to accepting children of mixed parent, anecdotal evidence that I have come across would suggest that Asian societies are less welcoming in that respect.

In N.Z. the offspring of Chinese Maori /Polynesian cohabitation, were not welcome amongst the China society, therefore the children stayed with the maternal side for their cultural upbringing.

It certainly wasn't a conscious decision made on the part of the Chinese element to make it easier for the child to gain acceptance in the wider European community, because the Maori in many ways was worse off than his Chinese counterpart. For instance a Maori had alcohol restrictrictions placed upon them. Could not sit upstairs at the theatres and until the 60's could not work in the "Bank of New Zealand"

Since this whole conversation happened because of you. Where's the proof that Shannon Lee said this since you've been caught lying before just to make China/Chinese look bad?
 

Kurt

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Which part does that fit it? All he said was pointing out the hypocrisy of people calling Chinese racist, while they themselves invented the word of "racism" by modern definitions. And how is pointing that out, and debunk how people think of Chinese vs the reality is being racist? You are a German, I have German friends, they tell me they are sick of the Hitler references, so what if the whole world think Germans are all Nazi to your face all the time, and you got fed up about it and tell them that Germany today has nothing to do with Hitler, does trying to explain to people the reality make you a racist?

Did he say that Chinese culture is superior? Did he say the Chinese race is superior? Did he said he hate or cannot stand of another race that is not Chinese? I mean, do you want to send a new definition to Dictionary.com | Find the Meanings and Definitions of Words at Dictionary.com to update them on the entry for racism?

Solarz, that was cheap and went nowhere. Here's your definition of Jews and race. Now tell me, how did you make Jews a race?

I only see a typical Middle Eastern descended group with an old religion. They stuck to this religion while intermarrying with people from all over the world during two millenias. There is no race and the claims about Jewish race are a prime example of racism that is par excellence self-contradicting as it is about a culture as a geneticist will always have a hard time to separate old Jewish communities from their surrounding genetic landscape and never be able to make a clear cut line. Even looking at the widely differing phenotypes of Jews in Israel already hints that. Sephardim and Ashkenazi have a very different genetic background.
 

Kurt

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I knew someone who told me if an Asian woman that could be a complete stranger refused to have sex with him, he was a victim of racism. Anyone can spin what is racism and he interpreted if she refuses sex with him, it was because of his race. How does he know it will be about race? How would he know what she was thinking? And this is a scenario that has not been played out in reality and he already knows it's racism. Same logic here trying to portray Chinese racism as something that stands out more than any other. But what's really happening with the guy thinking he's a victim of racism because an Asian woman won't have sex with him on command is simply spin. He spinning what is by definition rape so that the intended victim is now the criminal if she doesn't let him rape her. And in his mind to ease so he doesn't think it's rape, the victim has been forced to volunteer to be raped. Intimidation from being called a racist is the gun to the head to make the victim say "yes" and then it's not rape. It's much like Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin saying if a rapist rapes a woman and she becomes pregnant, it's not rape because he believes female biology rejects and prevents impregantion if it were truly not voluntary. So if a woman becomes pregnant, it's because she was actually okay with the rapist having sexual intercourse with her. That's called spin. That's the spin we're hearing about how Bruce Lee was actually more a victim of Chinese racism than Western racism.

Interesting all this because of the spin that Bruce Lee was actually a victim of Chinese racism and not Western racism. With that kind of logic, someone can easily spin how it was the Jewish people's fault for the Holocaust.

Are you into the blame game because you want to revenge some perceived injustice?
Let's look at things from another angle, I mentioned before the effective Chinese counterintelligence effort to deny the military superior colonial powers any chance of occupying much of China. Pert of such a game is the old trick of destroying all links of intermixing between groups. A sailor having a child with a woman in a far away port is normal. While a German sailor fathered a child with a Chinese woman in China, the European women physically fell in love with the mysterious and good looking Native Americans in Buffalo Bill's entourage on their Europe tour.
From a genetic perspective, that's perfectly sensible behaviour because it has the least chances of acquiring genetic diseases that have a much higher probability within an established intermarriage cluster, dramatically rising in small clusters by the higher degree of inbreeding that is however prevalent among all humans and known via the
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. The possible genetic advantages can be compensated by other traits, including the problems of people from different cultures forming a lasting family union.
If I asked all kinds of women to have sex with me and I called each one that denied a racist, I would look pretty stupid. It's not even discussed why she denied. There are a number of women who for example don't think the physiognomy of Asian men is beautiful and they don't want that characteristic for their offspring. That can be seen as racist, but there are women who are into black hair and there are women into blonde hair and women who want a large Arabian nose and women who want a small North European nose and so on. The physical attributes are in all cases some of the choosing criteria for mating, however mating for women is mentally not directly related to creating offspring.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Are you into the blame game because you want to revenge some perceived injustice?
Let's look at things from another angle, I mentioned before the effective Chinese counterintelligence effort to deny the military superior colonial powers any chance of occupying much of China. Pert of such a game is the old trick of destroying all links of intermixing between groups. A sailor having a child with a woman in a far away port is normal. While a German sailor fathered a child with a Chinese woman in China, the European women physically fell in love with the mysterious and good looking Native Americans in Buffalo Bill's entourage on their Europe tour.
From a genetic perspective, that's perfectly sensible behaviour because it has the least chances of acquiring genetic diseases that have a much higher probability within an established intermarriage cluster, dramatically rising in small clusters by the higher degree of inbreeding that is however prevalent among all humans and known via the
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. The possible genetic advantages can be compensated by other traits, including the problems of people from different cultures forming a lasting family union.
If I asked all kinds of women to have sex with me and I called each one that denied a racist, I would look pretty stupid. It's not even discussed why she denied. There are a number of women who for example don't think the physiognomy of Asian men is beautiful and they don't want that characteristic for their offspring. That can be seen as racist, but there are women who are into black hair and there are women into blonde hair and women who want a large Arabian nose and women who want a small North European nose and so on. The physical attributes are in all cases some of the choosing criteria for mating, however mating for women is mentally not directly related to creating offspring.



Coming from the guy that made up something you said I said that I never did so you can call me a racist.

you are yourself racist in a way that you can not tolerate someone not liking and admiring the Chinese

Where I did I say that again that I'm angry at anyone who doesn't admire the Chinese? I love it when people make up "facts" just so they can make their argument. It says something when one has to resort to fiction to make their conclusions. What? Can't find what you're looking for from the truth?

My little anecdote is like yours except mine has a point. Your little stories of the German sailor have nothing to do with anything.

My story is true. I know people who think that way not because they're actually rapists. This guy didn't have the foresight to see the huge error ahead because all he was doing was looking for anything to make himself a victim of racism but made himself look like a rapist instead. Just like how you're trying to spin that it was actually Chinese prejudice that motivated Bruce Lee. The Todd Akin scandal is proof there are people out there that will spin absurdity just to make an argument and look how it backfired on him. Again all the facts show that Bruce Lee was affected by Hollywood's discrimination or he wouldn't have left Hollywood.

You don't know how the Chinese think or what they were thinking yet you act as if you do thus you can spin your little story that Bruce Lee was more a victim of Chinese racism than from the West. Again it is absurd to think Westerners were more sympathetic to Bruce Lee over his mixed heritage while at the same time Western soldiers were throughout Southeast Asia fathering children and leaving them behind without a care for them. And while race riots and the KKK were lynching minorites in the US. And while the West supported white South African aparthied over Nelsen Mandela. What you're doing is trying to transfer today's values to an era for Bruce Lee where they didn't exist. Just look at Europe today. You don't see anyone who isn't white in a position of power in anything. And you're going to tell me back in the 1960's the Western mainsteam had sympathy for mixed race children and especially in this case where the father wasn't white? Actress Halle Berry talks about how her white mother would have to hide the fact she was her daughter when she was a child because that would've meant her father was African-American. Meaning guaranteed deadly violence if people where she was from found out. Let's see... Halle Berry is at least twenty-years younger than Bruce Lee and you're going to try to spin Chinese treated people worse?

What you don't get is everyone has been kind to you in here. While you've been mustering your interpretation of Chinese history to just say Chinese are racists, do you think we can't come up with anything better than what you've got especially with German history? Don't confuse our politeness as having nothing to use against you. I read in recent years of a soccer/football match in Germany with a German home team against one from Africa. The home crowd started throwing bananas onto the field. You want to compare attitudes? Here in the US, you see lots of gays and lesbians with adopted Chinese children from China. I've read in Germany gays and lesbians can only adopt handicapped children that get rejected from heterosexual couples. This is only the tip of the iceberg. You don't think we can deduce Western attitudes the way you have for the Chinese?
 
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Kurt

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Coming from the guy that made up something you said I said that I never did so you can call me a racist.



Where I did I say that again that I'm angry at anyone who doesn't admire the Chinese? I love it when people make up "facts" just so they can make their argument. It says something when one has to resort to fiction to make their conclusions. What? Can't find what you're looking for from the truth?

My little anecdote is like yours except mine has a point. Your little stories of the German sailor have nothing to do with anything.

My story is true. I know people who think that way not because they're actually rapists. This guy didn't have the foresight to see the huge error ahead because all he was doing was looking for anything to make himself a victim of racism but made himself look like a rapist instead. Just like how you're trying to spin that it was actually Chinese prejudice that motivated Bruce Lee. The Todd Akin scandal is proof there are people out there that will spin absurdity just to make an argument and look how it backfired on him. Again all the facts show that Bruce Lee was affected by Hollywood's discrimination or he wouldn't have left Hollywood.

You don't know how the Chinese think or what they were thinking yet you act as if you do thus you can spin your little story that Bruce Lee was more a victim of Chinese racism than from the West. Again it is absurd to think Westerners were more sympathetic to Bruce Lee over his mixed heritage while at the same time Western soldiers were throughout Southeast Asia fathering children and leaving them behind without a care for them. And while race riots and the KKK were lynching minorites in the US. And while the West supported white South African aparthied over Nelsen Mandela. What you're doing is trying to transfer today's values to an era for Bruce Lee where they didn't exist. Just look at Europe today. You don't see anyone who isn't white in a position of power in anything. And you're going to tell me back in the 1960's the Western mainsteam had sympathy for mixed race children and especially in this case where the father wasn't white? Actress Halle Berry talks about how her white mother would have to hide the fact she was her daughter when she was a child because that would've meant her father was African-American. Meaning guaranteed deadly violence if people where she was from found out. Let's see... Halle Berry is at least twenty-years younger than Bruce Lee and you're going to try to spin Chinese treated people worse?

What you don't get is everyone has been kind to you in here. While you've been mustering your interpretation of Chinese history to just say Chinese are racists, do you think we can't come up with anything better than what you've got especially with German history? Don't confuse our politeness as having nothing to use against you. I read in recent years of a soccer/football match in Germany with a German home team against one from Africa. The home crowd started throwing bananas onto the field. You want to compare attitudes? Here in the US, you see lots of gays and lesbians with adopted Chinese children from China. I've read in Germany gays and lesbians can only adopt handicapped children that get rejected from heterosexual couples. This is only the tip of the iceberg. You don't think we can deduce Western attitudes the way you have for the Chinese?

I'm not into a blame game. I don't want to evaluate any racism or other prejudices in comparison to other prejudices. They are part of our life and always will be and they do include positive and negative racism, but altogether they are prejudices for simplified categorization that often serve other purposes as well as part of the communication in a like minded environment.

I see an interrelation of such prejudices between securing advantages, like limiting jobs for Chinese or revenge racism. Revenge racism was justifying drug dealing and robbery via contempt of a nation that was claimed (with the help of scholar supported justifications the Manchu tried to stabilize themselves within a static society) to have looked with contempt upon the nations that proofed military more capable. What will the Chinese feel when they achieve a switch of wealth and power in comparison to the Western countries that serve as a role model on consumption?
From a Western perspective, we do have a perception problem with what Chinese made out of "our" Christmas, so please refrain from sending Christmas cards popular in China to outsiders, especially Christian ones. There are many alternatives available within a few clicks. And maybe you could congratulate the Muslims on Ramadan by giving food to the poor instead of buying consumer goods like on Christmas (yes, you can also give things to the poor on Christmas)?

Racism is usually part of a construct of prejudices that helps to stabilize a society against their own internal problems. WWI and WWII can be seen as direct results of that racism which made nations into races on questionable scientific arguments. I have no qualms to admit the destructive effects of racism in the Western World, but being at the receiving end of racism does never vindicate anyone of his own acts, including Chinese.

Bruce Lee had problems with some Chinese because of his German sailor grandfather (and there's no war or army that does not have a number of soldiers fathering children without caring for them, this even happens in peacetime and doesn't exclude any race or nation) and with Americans because of the remaining Chinese part of his family. The German grandfather would likely have helped little during that time and situation in Hollywood. The man Bruce Lee had oustanding achievements and I don't care whether Hollywood cared about him or not. The impact on martial arts choreography in Hollywood and elsewhere is massive and visible every day. Neither do I care what Hollywood's opinion on Fritz Lang or Sergei Eisenstein was or that the Vienna royal music association preferred Salieri over Mozart. I admire them because of what they did and if a company is so riddled with prejudices that they don't hire good personnel or even the best available, well, that's their own stupidity because Bruce Lee marketing and films still pay off in the USA and all over the world.
Of course, it's a problem for people who have less choices for a good job next door, but racism is just one out of many unfair influences not capability and performance related that will always be difficult to tackle.
It's as well racism that some Chinese companies hire show-piece Europeans to appear more connected and important. Racism is not just about unfair opportunities, but about a prejudiced categorization system that can be negative or positive and often swings quite rapidly between extremes because it's pseudo-evidence based.

As for Germany, you might do some serious research before you start a prejudiced blame game.
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is the leader of the minor coalition party and thus the second most powerful politician in Germany. In this position he is as always the Vice Chancelor. Unlike the US-vice prsident if he says no the chancellor can not overrule him because without his support there are elections for a new gouvernment. Unlike previous Vice chancelors, he does not have the foreign affairs business, but is responsible for the German ministries of economy and technology. The economy is usually responsible for the chances of reelection of a gouvernment.
The Deutsche Bank, the most important private bank of Germany that has a very important role in representing banking interest to the leading politicians, is led by
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, guess what background he has?
As for the bananas, that's a typical Eastern German habit. They are less then 10% of our total population and quite happy to have bananas since 1989. Because hardly anyone wants to live in that economically weak and thinly settled part of Germany our ultra-right wing has decided to move there in person on a large scale, buy cheap houses and win majorities in the settlements in order to excercise some political control somewhere in Germany. They collect all the money they can get to infiltrate youth clubs there, set up their own and shut down their enemy's clubs, aligned with the Antifa. It's our Wild East with much bloodshed over political control and correspondingly Antifa Kampfgruppen or Skinhead territory in the very remote rural or poor and unemployed places (Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is the centerpiece of that battle). It's quite astonishing how such reports get to you because I have little clue of the soccer teams in Inner Mongolia. You might notice
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in the German national team, despite that he is not as admired as Mesut Özil, Sami Khedira, Lukas Podolski or Sebastian Schweinsteiger and guess which one of them has no immigrant background?
To better understand Germany you should know the 4-3-2 society. A quarter of the population has immigrant background, most of them have German citizenship, a third of all marriages contain one partner with immigrant background and every second child is born to parents with at least one immigrant background. The professional soccer players are a tell-tale example of a widespread phenomena of mating choices of German women. A lot of them have a father without German ancestry, the marriage between their parents didn't last (seems like Germans are difficult to get along) and the sons show outstanding achievements. In the sports world they have sooner reached prominent positions, but they are also advancing in other fields. Yes, the material wealth and security, even of being a single mother, gives German women the option to make choices about the fathers of their children's transmitable capabilities without worrying about his economic contributions. Fräuleinwunder refers to the beautiful German women.
Not surprising as you are from the East. It is an expression from the Western occupation zones of post-WWII-Germany. German "Fräuleins"; were very popular with the American and British soldiers.
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And don't worry, we have enough girls for the German men and we do have prejudices and racism, so feel free to impress people with something to change their minds and get a hot girl.
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The blame game started when some tried to rewrite Bruce Lee's story into the complete opposite of his own account. So it's pretty hypocritical to accuse such a thing.

Show pieces? Another hypocrisy. Here in the US that's called tokenism. You know like how this fictional Western sympathy for Bruce Lee over Chinese racism is an example of the West was never ever racist in the entire history of humankind. You're guilty as charged. Plenty more where that came from especially now that you've widen what is racism with your interpretations of what you think the Chinese are thinking and not with any actual evidence. You don't think that can be turned right back at you? My friends were in Europe once and they met a mercenary in a pub who would tell them of stories how many Africans he killed with a machine gun and apparently many of them weren't armed and he acted like their lives weren't even human. In light it's laughable of your little stories spinning Chinese history as the only racism in the world.

Also I'm still waiting for you to show me where I said I'm angered at anyone who doesn't admire the Chinese just so you can call me a racist. Where did you get that from? You assumed it like how you assume everything China did was racist. And that's makes you a racist from your own interpretations. Ironic. That charge you made pretty much is your theme in here. Not surprising.
 
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solarz

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Solarz, that was cheap and went nowhere. Here's your definition of Jews and race. Now tell me, how did you make Jews a race?

I only see a typical Middle Eastern descended group with an old religion. They stuck to this religion while intermarrying with people from all over the world during two millenias. There is no race and the claims about Jewish race are a prime example of racism that is par excellence self-contradicting as it is about a culture as a geneticist will always have a hard time to separate old Jewish communities from their surrounding genetic landscape and never be able to make a clear cut line. Even looking at the widely differing phenotypes of Jews in Israel already hints that. Sephardim and Ashkenazi have a very different genetic background.

Race is a social construct and has nothing to do with genetics.

Racism does not cover only race, but also ethnicities. The United Nations convention makes no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Since this whole conversation happened because of you. Where's the proof that Shannon Lee said this since you've been caught lying before just to make China/Chinese look bad?

Another one of your strawman attempts by questioning the existence of such an interview. (You must have a short memory as youve seem to have forgotten your Maying IP blunder)

Actually I merely asked a question after listening to parts of the interview with Shannon Lee which was a little bit confusing , as she was flitting back between describing her life in HK and the USA, you offered your opinion and I made no more of it.
How you can somehow derail the inniatial question by ranting on about Jews and Vietnam etc etc, has me completely beat.

Futhermore you must be awfully naive to think that of the hundreds of interviews she's given as a high profile celebrity about her father , Shannon Lee was never asked about how Bruce and the family in a mixed heritage setting.


I think this may be a portion of the interview the BBC had with Shannon Lee in which she briefly spoke of the prejudices her father experienced.

If you follow this link you will note the radio program as advertised back in July 2012

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"0822
A new film that follows the life of Bruce Lee is being released in Britain this week. Executive Director of the documentary, his daughter Shannon Lee, explains why she agreed to make the documentary."

and thats all i m gonna say in the matter
 
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