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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Getting Chinese actors into Hollywood... I wouldn't hope for it. Look at what they did to Chow Yun Fat. The fact is if a Chinese actor or director like Chow Yun Fat or John Woo gets successful at home and then Hollywood comes calling it's only because Hollywood wants to make money off of what's hot at the moment. They want to make money off their names. They are not going to nurture them to be successful in Hollywood. And once their name wears off after putting them in some bad movies, they dump them. Good movies are for the established Hollywood players. Hollywood is not going to give a good role to an Asian actor which is why at most you'll see is them in a one dimensional role. So filmmakers in China be aware that it's probably better you stay at home and nurture the future number one market for movies in the world. I read a story of a Chinese filmmaker who went to Hollywood about a decade ago and tried get some meetings with Hollywood executives on partnerships. One executive rudely laughed in his face because then the China market didn't amount to much. So the Chinese filmmaker went back home with absolutely nothing. Now that even with the 20 foreign film limit, China is the second largest money-maker in the world for Hollywood films that do get shown in China, that same executive that laughed in the Chinese filmmaker's face is continually calling him trying to make deals.

Another Journey to the West? I just read yesterday that a Chinese film company is partnering with Hollywood for a $300 million 3D version of Journey of the West with James Cameron taking part in writing the script and providing the 3D technology and Guillermo del Toro possibly directing.
 

Spartan95

Junior Member
Getting Chinese actors into Hollywood... I wouldn't hope for it. Look at what they did to Chow Yun Fat. The fact is if a Chinese actor or director like Chow Yun Fat or John Woo gets successful at home and then Hollywood comes calling it's only because Hollywood wants to make money off of what's hot at the moment. They want to make money off their names. They are not going to nurture them to be successful in Hollywood. And once their name wears off after putting them in some bad movies, they dump them. Good movies are for the established Hollywood players. Hollywood is not going to give a good role to an Asian actor which is why at most you'll see is them in a one dimensional role. So filmmakers in China be aware that it's probably better you stay at home and nurture the future number one market for movies in the world. I read a story of a Chinese filmmaker who went to Hollywood about a decade ago and tried get some meetings with Hollywood executives on partnerships. One executive rudely laughed in his face because then the China market didn't amount to much. So the Chinese filmmaker went back home with absolutely nothing. Now that even with the 20 foreign film limit, China is the second largest money-maker in the world for Hollywood films that do get shown in China, that same executive that laughed in the Chinese filmmaker's face is continually calling him trying to make deals.

Another Journey to the West? I just read yesterday that a Chinese film company is partnering with Hollywood for a $300 million 3D version of Journey of the West with James Cameron taking part in writing the script and providing the 3D technology and Guillermo del Toro possibly directing.

That's Hollywood. Afterall, they have movies that grossed over US$1 billion, and their block-busters generally gross over US$200 million. Not other movie industry is able to match Hollywood. Or even come close at the moment.

Than again, I find Asian movie industry to be more multi-cultural these days (as compared to Hollywood). The big Asian block-busters these days tend to include actors and actresses from various places (PRC, HK, ROC, occasionally RoK and even Japan). And PRC is certainly the fastest growing movie industry to watch. Now, the challenge for PRC is to create original content instead of rehashing old content. Kungfu Panda could have been a PRC movie if only they came upon the idea before Hollywood.
 

IronsightSniper

Junior Member
"I find Asian movie industry to be more multi-cultural these days (as compared to Hollywood)"

Huh? Hollywood still dishes out "multi-cultural" movies, albeit most of that "culutral-ness" involves Southern Americans and folks of African descent. Albeit, racism and stereotypes still exist in vast numbers here, but you can't say that Asian movie industries bring in actors/actresses from all parts of the world.

In other news, I just finished watching Ip Man 1 and 2. Good stuff. Going to try to catch Battle: LA soon but hoping it doesn't turn out to be another generic alien invasion flick.
 

Spartan95

Junior Member
Huh? Hollywood still dishes out "multi-cultural" movies, albeit most of that "culutral-ness" involves Southern Americans and folks of African descent. Albeit, racism and stereotypes still exist in vast numbers here, but you can't say that Asian movie industries bring in actors/actresses from all parts of the world.

What I mean by that is that Asian movie industry is ready to bring in stars from other movie industries, and treat them as stars in its own productions. Can't say the same for Hollywood, who don't treat stars from other places as stars in Hollywood production. HK and RoK movie stars that tried to cross over to Hollywood had to work their way up from square one (Chow Yun Fatt, Jet Lee, Jackie Chan, the female RoK star of My Sassy Girl just to name a few).

In contrast, RoK, Japanese, French (the guy in Transporter) and even Indian movie stars have starred in Chinese block-buster movies without having to work their way up.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
This comfirms the story I posted almost a year ago that Red Dawn was a hot potato among Hollywood studios that didn't want to be associated with it for fear of how China would react. I even passed it to some people in the internet movie fan-boy community who thought it was more about MGM's bankruptcy that stopped the release into theaters. Never thought they would spend the money on CGI to turn the Chinese into North Koreans. Now I wonder if they even bothered to dub everyone into sounding Korean. Makes sense since the cast is mostly Korean actors on the enemy side anyway.

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Reel China: Hollywood tries to stay on China's good side
Without Beijing even uttering a critical word, MGM is changing the villains in its 'Red Dawn' remake from Chinese to North Korean. It's all about maintaining access to the Asian superpower's lucrative box office.
By Ben Fritz and John Horn, Los Angeles Times

March 16, 2011

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China has become such an important market for U.S. entertainment companies that one studio has taken the extraordinary step of digitally altering a film to excise bad guys from the Communist nation lest the leadership in Beijing be offended.

When MGM decided a few years ago to remake "Red Dawn," a 1984 Cold War drama about a bunch of American farm kids repelling a Soviet invasion, the studio needed new villains, since the U.S.S.R. had collapsed in 1991. The producers substituted Chinese aggressors for the Soviets and filmed the movie in Michigan in 2009.

But potential distributors are nervous about becoming associated with the finished film, concerned that doing so would harm their ability to do business with the rising Asian superpower, one of the fastest-growing and potentially most lucrative markets for American movies, not to mention other U.S. products.

As a result, the filmmakers now are digitally erasing Chinese flags and military symbols from "Red Dawn," substituting dialogue and altering the film to depict much of the invading force as being from North Korea, an isolated country where American media companies have no dollars at stake.

The changes illustrate just how much sway China's government has in the global entertainment industry, even without uttering a word of official protest. Although it's unclear if anyone in China has seen "Red Dawn," a leaked version of the script last year resulted in critical editorials in the Global Times, a communist party-controlled paper.

That followed postings of pictures on China's popular Web portals Sina and Tiexue in late 2009 of the "Red Dawn" set showing actors posing as Chinese troops and mock propaganda posters of the U.S. Capitol building smashed by a hammer. The posts received tens of the thousands of views. "When does it come out?" read one Chinese comment. "There is no hope for theatrical screening [censorship], wait for pirated version."

An MGM spokesman said that no one at the studio has had discussions with Chinese government officials about "Red Dawn."

Hollywood has learned the hard way that besmirching China's image on-screen can have long-running implications for the many arms of a modern media conglomerate. In the late 1990s, Walt Disney Studios, Sony Pictures and MGM all faced a temporary halt in their business dealings in the country after releasing the movies "Kundun," "Seven Years in Tibet" and "Red Corner," respectively, which were critical of the communist government.

Today, China is far more important to the Hollywood studios, despite the government's policy of allowing only about 20 non-Chinese films into theaters each year. In 2010, China was the fifth-biggest box office market outside of the United States, with $1.5 billion in revenue.

A number of Hollywood studios are deepening their business ties to the world's most populous nation. Disney is building a theme park outside Shanghai, Sony Pictures co-produced the recent "Karate Kid" remake with the government-affiliated China Film Group, and News Corp.'s Fox International Productions recently made the Chinese-language hit "Hot Summer Days" there. Even independent studios like Lionsgate and Summit Entertainment will release their films "Killers" and "Red" in China in coming months.

Dan Mintz, whose DMG Entertainment is a leading producer and distributor of movies in China, said the "Red Dawn" story dramatizes how Western companies can fundamentally misunderstand how the nation works. If the picture had gone out without redacting the Chinese invaders, he said, "there would have been a real backlash. It's like being invited to a dinner party and insulting the host all night long. There's no way to look good.... The film itself was not a smart move."

Mintz, who met with the producers of "Red Dawn" to offer some suggestions on how they could proceed, said that doing business in China requires a partnership approach. "The more you reach out, the better your relationships will be," Mintz said. "This is bigger than a single film."

The "Red Dawn" remake follows several teenagers in Spokane, Wash., who fight invading Chinese forces allied with Russia in the near future (in the original film, the Soviets partnered with Cubans). The roughly $60-million production stars Chris Hemsworth, who will become much better known to moviegoers this May when he plays the title role in the superhero event picture "Thor."

MGM had been set to release "Red Dawn" in November, but the debt-laden studio filed for bankruptcy the month before and emerged under new leadership at the end of the year. New chief executives Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum are seeking to sell both "Red Dawn" and the horror film "The Cabin in the Woods," the last two pictures produced under a previous regime, as they try to reshape the 87-year-old company.

China will be an important market for the studio as it goes ahead with plans to produce two movies based on "The Hobbit" and James Bond sequels. The last Bond movie, 2008's "Quantum of Solace," grossed $21 million in China.

In the last few weeks, MGM has begun showing "Red Dawn" to potential buyers at other studios. Several people who have seen the movie but requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record said they couldn't risk distributing it given the potential blowback in China.

The feedback led to MGM's decision to make the highly unusual changes. Although it's common to reshape movies in the editing room, there's no known precedent for changing the nationality of an entire group of characters.

People close to the picture said the changes will cost less than $1 million and involve changing an opening sequence summarizing the story's fictional backdrop, re-editing two scenes and using digital technology to transform many Chinese symbols to Korean. It's impossible to eliminate all references to China, the people said, though the changes will give North Korea a much larger role in the coalition that invades the U.S.

"We were initially very reluctant to make any changes," said Tripp Vinson, one of the movie's producers. "But after careful consideration we constructed a way to make a scarier, smarter and more dangerous 'Red Dawn' that we believe improves the movie."

Representatives for director Dan Bradley did not respond to requests for comment.

If MGM is unable to find a distributor for the movie, it could end up going direct-to-DVD or could even be shelved, never to be seen by the public.

"Red Dawn" is not the only piece of entertainment to swap out Chinese villains for North Koreans recently. The video game "Homefront," which was released this week and features a script by John Milius, writer of the original "Red Dawn," was also originally intended to feature a Chinese invasion. For business reasons, publisher THQ changed the occupying forces to North Korea.

A representative for MGM said it's hopeful the unusual changes will have a simple result: turning "Red Dawn" from a complete write-off into a movie that can find an audience and make money.

"MGM has been working with the film 'Red Dawn's' director and producers to make the most commercially viable version of the film for audiences worldwide," said Mike Vollman, executive vice president of worldwide marketing. "We want to ensure the most people possible are able to experience it."

Times staff writer David Pierson in Beijing contributed to this report.

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ToxSic

New Member
I liked scenarios like Tom Clancy's SSN game in the past but I would have cared less about this particular remake. Wouldn't have sparked my interest (...teenagers fending off professional troops... and all).

Didn't the Aussies have a remake of that too? Teenagers fending off invading (unamed?) Asian force?
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Yes Austrailia had their own movie and they went to the Toronto Film Festival to try to get North American distribution and heard nothing of it.
 

Spartan95

Junior Member
The trailers for the remake of the Tsui Hark classic, "A Chinese Ghost Story" is out:

[video=youtube;1lsagweGJ9Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lsagweGJ9Y[/video]

[video=youtube;gjop1QfiQLk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjop1QfiQLk&feature=fvwrel[/video]

This movie is expected to hit cinemas in Apr 2011. And I must say Crystal Liu Yifei looks smoking hot!
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Looks like Beijing might be loosening the leash. Ocean's 11 is one of those movies banned for glorifying criminal behavior.



.....Chinese version of Ocean's 11 in the works

By Liu Wei in Beijing/China Daily | ANN – 1 hour 6 minutes ago
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EmailPrint......Beijing (China Daily/ANN) - A rising private entertainment company has

joined up with China's largest state-owned film group to create a

Chinese version of Ocean's 11.

Juli Entertainment Co Ltd, based in Baoding, Hebei province, and China

Film Group Corporation, will co-produce at least five films annually

from this year, Yang Zi, chairman of Juli Entertainment, said at a

press conference in Beijing on March 30.

"This is the first time a private entertainment company is

establishing such a formal cooperative relationship with China Film

Group," he says.

One of the films being planned is inspired by Steven Soderbergh's

Ocean's 11, says Yang. While the story will be different from the

original film, it also revolves around 11 men, who are likely to be a

mix of Chinese and Hollywood actors.

Another work on the agenda is an adaptation of the works of Gu Long

(1938-1985), a Taiwan martial arts novelist widely acclaimed by

readers in Chinese-speaking regions.

At the press conference, Juli Entertainment signed a contract with the

Managing Committee of Gu Long's Books to acquire the rights to the

late writer's novels.

Han Sanping, chairman of China Film Group Corporation, hailed the move.

"China's film industry is seeing rapid growth. We need more passionate

entrepreneurs such as Yang to make domestic films more competitive

against foreign productions," he says.

The two companies will also work together to find and support talented

young directors, Yang says.

Juli Entertainment, a subsidiary of manufacturing giant Juli Group,

was founded two years ago. Its latest project, The Legend of White

Snake, a kungfu fantasy starring Jet Li, will premiere at the end of

this year. The company's ambitious blueprint for this year includes 11

films and TV dramas, including at least five films with China Film

Group.

Yang tells China Daily that Juli Entertainment will also work with a

large shopping center chain to launch its own theaters in all of the

latter's new malls, but declined to reveal the identity of this

partner.
...
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
I recently got rid of cable TV in favor of netflix. They have several Chinese movies available for viewing. One I'm intrested in is a documentary about a migrant worker couple returning home after working. It involves a 1000 mile journey home.
 
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