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AssassinsMace

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What did I tell you? Red Dawn won't see the light of dawn.

Of course no one reads the Financial Times thus why all this speculation has it wrong. Yeah right, Hollywood liberals who love the Dalai Lama and hate China stopped this movie from being release.


Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' away from theaters?
June 10, 2010 | 7:09 am
If we could wave a magic wand and do just one thing that would bring true happiness to the right-wing blogosphere, what would it be? Make sure Nancy Pelosi got tossed out as speaker of the House after the Democrats lose big in the November elections? Guarantee that the next Sean Penn movie would be a big bomb? Ensure that President Obama would be brutally skewered by Jon Stewart every night, just as he was Tuesday night?

Right now, if we could measure things on our trusty conservative ecstasy meter (which has just emerged from the repair shop after bursting into flames after Elton John performed at Rush Limbaugh's wedding), I'd say that the winner would be the news that Hollywood is about to release a remake of "Red Dawn," the 1984 John Milius Cold War fantasy-thriller about a courageous scrum of young patriots who fend off a Soviet invasion of America. The original film has long been a cult favorite among conservatives, who rarely find any movies to call their own coming off the liberal Hollywood assembly line.

So all across the conservative blogosphere, the word is out that -- miraculously -- Hollywood has made a $75-million movie about kicking Commie ass, with the Commies this time being of the Chinese variety. No one is more enthused than Jason Apuzzo, who just posted a big piece about the film's bona fides on the Libertas Film Magazine, a newly revived version of the blog that set the standard for smart conservative film writing and in its first weeks of new life has already easily surpassed Andrew Breitbart's Big Hollywood, if for no other reason than that Apuzzo and his film-loving cohorts (including the always provocative Govindini Murty, who recently weighed in with a stirring defense of "Sex & the City 2") don't spend all their waking hours simply bashing all the usual lefty Hollywood suspects.

Apuzzo is full of lusty anticipation over the arrival this November of "Red Dawn," offering the following: "A brazenly patriotic smack-down of Obama-era socialism. Centering around an Afghanistan war vet. Starring Tom Cruise's son. Featuring music by Toby Keith. With a plot devised by the Rand Corporation." For conservatives, it all sounds too good to be true, or as Apuzzo put it: "This is all some sort of gag, right? Hollywood doesn't do this sort of thing. This isn't the 1980's anymore. Wake up! This is the era of 'Avatar.' of 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' of Sean Penn hanging with the mullahs of Iran. The communist Chinese aren't our enemy. ... Our real enemies are American corporations, environmental polluters and all those blonde chicks on Fox News."

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I have grim news: "Red Dawn" isn't coming Nov. 24, as the conservative blogs have all promised. In fact, no one knows when the movie will ever be released. Although it sounds like yet another liberal Hollywood conspiracy, the movie (which was filmed in Detroit last year) is suffering from a far bigger problem: It was made by MGM, and MGM has run out of money. The troubled studio managed to make several movies recently, one that was already released ("Hot Tub Time Machine"), one that is being released next year by Sony ("The Zookeeper") and one, "Red Dawn," that is in the can but may stay there for quite a while, at least until someone buys MGM or provides the kind of big investment needed to market and distribute new films.

According to an MGM insider, the bloggers have a few other things wrong beside that release date. The film didn't cost $75 million. It was made for $42 million, thanks to a load of tax breaks from being filmed in Michigan. It doesn't have any music by Toby Keith, because no one has recorded any music for its soundtrack yet. (Keith's name was simply used as a reference in the script.) And Tom Cruise's son, Connor, isn't the star, simply one of an ensemble of young actors paying the roles handled by Patrick Swayze, Charlie Sheen and C. Thomas Howell in the original.

But yes, the Commies do get their butts kicked in the new film. So I guess conservatives do have something to look forward to. But if they want to do something constructive to ensure that "Red Dawn" makes it to theaters, I'd advise calling Rupert Murdoch and ask him if he'd spend some of the money he normally puts into the salaries for all those blond chicks on Fox News and give "Red Dawn" a nice slot on the Fox release schedule. After all the money he's made off of "Avatar" and its lefty propaganda about global warming, it's the least Mr. Murdoch could do to level the playing field.
 

AssassinsMace

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Here's the Australian Red Dawn movie. Based on books that are vague but it's obvious who the enemy is. Looks like J-10s without canards. At least the Australians did some homework unlike with Red Dawn.

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Here's a youtube video of a panel discussion with the author of the books asked who is the invader in his series. Some of the panel come off sounding like if Nazi Germany still existed today and had to deal with political correctness. "National identity" in regarding to Australian youth. Looks at how the guy talks about Auistralia's fear of being invaded without once acknowledging how his ancestors are invaders of the place he calls home.

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ABC78

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Hey guys was listening to a cd playing the PLA March and I later was watching Star Wars and heard the Imperial March.

It could be just me but they seem to be very similar in rhythm and beat. The Imperial March has a dark and dreadful tone while the PLA March has like an up beat kind of proudness.

What do you guys think?
 

Player 0

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Re: Movies in General/ Star Trek etc etc

The Empire was, like many film villains of that era, based on the 'evil empire' of the USSR, so no surprise there.
 

Krabat1976

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Good news that Red Dawn has been banned. A WWIII is the last thing we need, even if only in a movie.
 

Ouroboros

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Goodness gracious, it's people like you who make the world so PC.

Based on books that are vague but it's obvious who the enemy is.

The books intentionally never specify the invading country. The author made it so no real country fits all the criteria (and people seem to guess Indonesia as often as China). If I recall correctly, it's specifically written that the invaders aren't speaking a Chinese language. I don't think that the books specify racial characteristics, and while they seem of Asian appearance in the film, the producers have recently said they also won't be from any particular country.

Looks at how the guy talks about Auistralia's fear of being invaded without once acknowledging how his ancestors are invaders of the place he calls home.

He wrote a book about it! It's mentioned in the video you posted! Talk about being self-righteous and unsatisfiable.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Like no one can say anything negative about the Tea Party? Too sensitive?

Did you watch the video? They mention in the books it says the enemy eats Peking duck and the books are dedicated in part to the people of Tibet. They suggest it's China. Who says anything about PC. I in fact want these movies out. I find bigger geo-political pay-off in the Chinese knowing who looks at them as the enemy. And I want the Chinese to learn the power of boycotts. That can't happen without an example. What more to have an influence than through people's greed.
 

Ouroboros

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Did you watch the video?
I posted it.

They mention in the books it says the enemy eats Peking duck
That was a joke made by a comedian on the panel! Hence the laughing. My god. The same man suggested the invaders were Tasmanian, I see you didn't latch on to that quip.

and the books are dedicated in part to the people of Tibet.
One of the books in the series was dedicated to the people of Timor-Leste and Tibet. Why? Because it's an invasion novel, and these were the best known invasions in Australasia in our lifetime (the former ongoing at the time of writing).

They suggest it's China. Who says anything about PC. I in fact want these movies out. I find bigger geo-political pay-off in the Chinese knowing who looks at them as the enemy.

They suggested China, the author said it wasn't. He then conjectured that if Australia was to be invaded in reality there are only a handful of countries with the capability to even try (including China and Indonesia), and he's right.

And I want the Chinese to learn the power of boycotts. That can't happen without an example. What more to have an influence than through people's greed.

So you want to tell other people that they're attacking China, then punish them for it, no matter the length they go to trying to correct your mistake.
There's not much worse than people determined to play the victim. I'll wait for you to acknowledge the other error you made, claiming that he ignored Australia's history in a video that mentions his own book about that. Cripes, just acknowledge that you're wrong and enjoy the stories for what they are, not what you (don't?) want them to be.
 
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AssassinsMace

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I posted it.

Really? Then you're not paying attention to your own video you posted.

That was a joke made by a comedian on the panel! Hence the laughing. My god. The same man suggested the invaders were Tasmanian, I see you didn't latch on to that quip.

Yeah and disregard everyone else talking as if it were China. Was that a Australian comedy show then? Looked like a news discussion show.

One of the books in the series was dedicated to the people of Timor-Leste and Tibet. Why? Because it's an invasion novel, and these were the best known invasions in Australasia in our lifetime.

Then why not dedicate it to the Australian aboriginies or the Native American or the people of Iraq? People who are so obviously biased about history are the biggest hypocrites around.

So you want to tell other people that they're attacking China, then punish them for it, no matter the length they go to try and correct your mistake. There's not much worse than people who go to lengths to play the victim. I'll wait for you to acknowledge the other error you made, claiming that he ignored Australia's history in a video that mentions his own book about that.

Now look who's being politically correct now? They're the ones making movies about being invaded by China. Now all of the sudden you want to make China the enemy yet you don't want Chinese people to interpret that you see them as the enemy? Why don't you demand Chinese people see the sky as purple with pink polka dots? And if they don't you'll get mad at them. Is that like how the right-wing can hate anyone on this planet all they want yet they get upset when the very people they hate, hate them back in return? People who cry about political correctness base it on violations of their own version of politcal correctness. Political correctness is only wrong when someone else practices it, right? And the right-wing doesn't cry about all these Hollywood liberals making movies that make Americans look bad. Do I have to remind people that there was a petition to boycott China because Jack Bauer was tortured by the Chinese? There's nothing I said that makes me want Chinese to act like victims. I want them to do what is natural and that's when someone expresses hatred towards you, you have a right to react in an equivocal way. Don't you believe in equality? With your contradictions you shouldn't be so sensitive to my post unless you think you're a victim in some way.

If I wanted the Chinese to play victim, I would be advocating protests to stop these movies. I'm not doing anything of the sort. I in fact want China to stop their quota system on foreign movies and ban them on content instead. China is the second biggest money maker for foreign movies that get shown in China now. It will be within the next five to ten years the largest market in the world bigger than the US market. I want Hollywood and other foreign moviemakers to make lots of money on China so when they budget for movies in the future they'll be counting the China market as a major factor. What does that mean? They'll be spending big amounts of money on making movies. Actors will be demanding $100 million dollar salaries on a single movie alone because of the China profits. And what happens when they make a movie or an actor offends China? That movie gets banned or boycotted in China. Or maybe even worse... all that studio's or actor's movies will be banned in the future. All that money they spent would literally bankrupt a studio because now there's no China money to pay for it. And they won't find out if their movie is banned until after all that money is spent making it. So what do they do to avoid it? They bend over backward to make sure no movie they make offends the Chinese. Any actor that says anything bad about China never works ever again. And the great thing is China doesn't have to say a word through this whole porcess.

This isn't my plan. This is what is going to happen. First, because it's human nature to react negatively to people who look at you as the enemy. And second... don't bite the hand that you greedily feed on. That ain't playing victim. That's called power.


And while you're at it. Why don't you admit that everyone on that video you supposedly posted was talking as China being the invader? That was all a comedy act just like you said when they admitted about invasion of Austrailia by Europeans. That was comedy too according to you. Yeah right! Now you get to choose what was serious in that piece and what was comedy. What a joke!
 
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Ouroboros

Just Hatched
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Really? Then you're not paying attention to your own video you posted.

Says a user who berated the author for not mentioning something he spent a segment of the very video discussing, then selectively and willfully mistook a blatant joke from a comedian as a serious comment (even a non-English speaker would've been able to see that a joke was being made. This panel was made up of the host, an author, a comedian, and two or three politicians).

Yeah and disregard everyone else talking as if it were China. Was that a Australian comedy show then? Looked like a news discussion show.

Then why not dedicate it to the Australian aboriginies or the Native American or the people of Iraq? People who are so obviously biased about history are the biggest hypocrites around.

There's no point in being so ridiculously nationalistic and stubborn.
The questioner said that some people had interpreted the invaders as China and asked what their real identity was. He answered that their identity was deliberately ambiguous (it doesn't in fact fit with any real country). He was talking about China because he was asked.

I already mentioned he wrote a book about the settlement/invasion of Australia from an Indigenous perspective, which was mentioned in the video. You have absolutely no grounds for argument. Furthermore I wrote 'in our lifetime' for a reason - besides, if you think one acknowledgement in a seven book series identifies the invaders as China, he also mentioned Timor-Leste, so to argue honestly you'd have to be equally sure that the invaders were Indonesian - of course, as stated, repeatedly, the truth is neither.

As for Iraq, the original book was written a decade before that.


Now look who's being politically correct now? They're the ones making movies about being invaded by China. Now all of the sudden you want to make China the enemy yet you don't want Chinese people to interpret that you see them as the enemy... blah blah blah... There's nothing I said that makes me want Chinese to act like victims. I want them to do what is natural and that's when someone expresses hatred towards you, you have a right to react in an equivocal way.

The author said it wasn't China.
The movie producers said it won't be any particular country.

You clearly have a hang-up in insisting that it is China so that you have something to complain about.



If I wanted the Chinese to play victim, I would be advocating protests to stop these movies. I'm not doing anything of the sort.
So you're not advocating protests to stop the movie being seen, you're advocating distribution boycotts to stop the movie being seen. That is of the sort, and expressed in a sinister way.
 
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