Movies in General

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Lol.
I find this and @KYli hilarious responses as if anything you are agreeing with me more than against me.
may point was 1) the Jacket wasn’t the Problem the Pro US stance was what would have blocked Topgun Maverick by activating the censors of the CCP.
2) Pandering and Tokenism that Hollywood has tried in the last decade to try and get into the Chinese market has backfired.
I don’t need to have a deep cultural understanding as I am not talking about trying to make a movie for the Chinese market I am talking about the obvious flops. Attempts by Hollywood to sell “China” to China without context. Like when AI write scripts

Seriously this isn’t some deep dive guys.

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The jacket is the problem. If not, why Monster Hunter got pulled from the Chinese theaters. And Uncharted was shown in China but denied released from both Vietnam and Philippines. Hacksaw Ridge is an extremely pro-American war movie that got released in China which means pro American stance or not isn't the problem.

Hollywood failed in recent years is due to its arrogance and political correctness and franchise of movies. As for Shang Chi or Crazy rich Asians, these movies were aiming for Asian Americans in the first place. It is your and Hollywood arrogance that made you think these movies are for China. Hollywood was not making a movie for China but trying to convince the Chinese audiences that an American movie with Chinese American actors are Chinese movie.

So no, I don't think Hollywood is serious trying to make a movie for the Chinese market. It is just Hollywood marketing trying to convince the media and the mainland Chinese that they are making these movies for China but failed miserably.

KYli said:

Don't talk about things you have no idea about.

Before Disney was making Shang Chi, the Chinese agency already informed Disney it has reservations about Shang Chi. Fumanchu as the symbol of yellow peril and one of the most racist characters can't simply be whitewashed. In addition, Shang Chi himself betrayed his father and his country was viewed with contempt in the Chinese society. More over, most Chinese in China felt that the lead male and female actor and actress were just too ugly. It shows how arrogance the Americans are as they have no idea what Fumanchu means to China and Chinese.

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The male is just average looking. I wouldn't say he's ugly.

The female on the other hand is absolutely too ugly. How did someone so ugly become an actress?

I've noticed that many of the asian actresses(chinese, korean) they pick are really ugly. There are so many beautiful women in China that I can only surmise either 1) the previous generations that migrated from China to the west are really ugly or 2) they really think these kind of faces are beautiful.

PeregrineFalcon said:

I've noticed that many of the asian actresses(chinese, korean) they pick are really ugly. There are so many beautiful women in China that I can only surmise either 1) the previous generations that migrated from China to the west are really ugly or 2) they really think these kind of faces are beautiful.

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3) Hollywood casters purposely found fugly East Asian people for their movies.

Let’s not get all political in the movies thread!
If we think about it, it’s some bureaucrat’s decision, I don't think it has any deeper meaning. I don't think the Politburo or something like the People's Congress is debating the release of Top Gun.

At least we can all agree that akafina is ugly right?
To me she is a "diversity hire". She got many of her roles because there are not many Asian actresses. It's funny that both Crazy Rich Asians and Shang Chi was mentioned as directed towards Asian Americans, because she was in both. I read an article that she was considered so ugly in China that it turned people away from Crazy Rich Asians, so likely it would be worse for Shang Chi if it was released in China since her role is bigger. Who names themselves after bottled water anyway

supersnoop said:

Let’s not get all political in the movies thread!
If we think about it, it’s some bureaucrat’s decision, I don't think it has any deeper meaning. I don't think the Politburo or something like the People's Congress is debating the release of Top Gun.

At least we can all agree that akafina is ugly right?
To me she is a "diversity hire". She got many of her roles because there are not many Asian actresses. It's funny that both Crazy Rich Asians and Shang Chi was mentioned as directed towards Asian Americans, because she was in both. I read an article that she was considered so ugly in China that it turned people away from Crazy Rich Asians, so likely it would be worse for Shang Chi if it was released in China since her role is bigger. Who names themselves after bottled water anyway

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If you have heard some of the interviews of Asian actresses, then you have to know that many of them need to change their Asian names to American names in order even to get an interview. That's how difficult it is for Asian actors and actresses in the past.

So no, the so called diversity hire is nonsense. Many studios intentionally refused to hire good looking Asians so that they would outshine the lead actor and actresses. Asians are portrayed as nerd, ugly, and cowards in most dramas and movies. That's why you have so many ugly and nerdy Asian actors and actresses in the first because that is what the studios want. Please don't excuse racism and prejudice as some kinds of diversity hire.

For the last few years, Hollywood tried to recruit more normal Asian actors and actresses but old habit die hard. Shang Chi is just another movie on the long list of movie that stereotyped Asians. More importantly, given how MSM demonized anything China and Chinese, I think things would only get worse. I can't escape a day without MSM bombard me with negative Chinese news nowadays.

supersnoop said:

Let’s not get all political in the movies thread!
If we think about it, it’s some bureaucrat’s decision, I don't think it has any deeper meaning. I don't think the Politburo or something like the People's Congress is debating the release of Top Gun.

At least we can all agree that akafina is ugly right?
To me she is a "diversity hire". She got many of her roles because there are not many Asian actresses. It's funny that both Crazy Rich Asians and Shang Chi was mentioned as directed towards Asian Americans, because she was in both. I read an article that she was considered so ugly in China that it turned people away from Crazy Rich Asians, so likely it would be worse for Shang Chi if it was released in China since her role is bigger. Who names themselves after bottled water anyway

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You do know that Awkwafina was a successful comedian long before she got into movies right? Awkwafina was a stage name meant to be funny and ridiculous. It's hilarious how you guys are hung up on the assumption that she is "ugly", there are a lot of ugly actors out there. Still better than the expressionless plastic surgery clones in a lot of cdramas and kdramas.

PeoplesPoster said:

You do know that Awkwafina was a successful comedian long before she got into movies right? Awkwafina was a stage name meant to be funny and ridiculous. It's hilarious how you guys are hung up on the assumption that she is "ugly", there are a lot of ugly actors out there. Still better than the expressionless plastic surgery clones in a lot of cdramas and kdramas.

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It is perfectly fine to have ugly or plain face actors and actresses. It is abnormal for a superheroes movie to have both lead male and female actor and actress that look below average. When most other Marvel heroes that looks cool, good looking or at least standout, you bring in Asian superheroes that looks like a nerd and ugly. Don't tell me this isn't stereotype.

KYli said:

It is perfectly fine to have ugly or plain face actors and actresses. It is abnormal for a superheroes movie to have both lead male and female actor and actress that look below average. When most other Marvel heroes that looks cool, good looking or at least standout, you bring in Asian superheroes that looks like a nerd and ugly. Don't tell me this isn't stereotype.

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That's just your opinion, plenty of people think Simu Liu as attractive, yes even in China. Awkwafina was chosen as the comedic side kick, see Michael Pena in Ant Man. Now, you can make the point that there is a lack of famous asian actors in the US, and Simu was chosen because he was one of the few with enough popular appeal for it to make sense for the producers. But that's a whole different issue.

PeoplesPoster said:

That's just your opinion, plenty of people think Simu Liu as attractive, yes even in China. Now, you can make the point that there is a lack of famous asian actors in the US, and Simu was chosen because he was one of the few with enough popular appeal for it to make sense for the producers. But that's a whole different issue.

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It doesn't matter what I think. Majority of the mainland Chinese think Simu Liu is ugly or below average. Majority of the mainland Chinese believe Marvel is stereotyped Chinese. Marvel can keep doing what they are doing now but Marvel movies are losing stem even before recent bans.