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you are way too stretchy to get feeling well.

The Foreign ministry said two things, 1 the Ambassador was saying his personal thought, 2 China's policy remains. In no way did the ministry saying the Ambassador was wrong in saying what he has said.

This kind of things have been repeated for decades by US and the west regarding China. It is a well-known tactic of good cop and bad cop. The damage was done on purpose. The damage "control" is just like "I didn't mean to step on your toe". Take that whatever way you like.
Such as it is I guess, you believe your narrative and I'll believe mine, in the end reality will be the judge whether either us like the outcome or not.
 

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Mongol leaders constantly feared for their lives after the conquest and preferred interacting with Persians as the intermediary with an angry Chinese bureaucracy.

Chinese overthrew the Yuan by force independently, then
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. China punished Mongolia to the degree where they went from a massive empire in 1200 to a depopulated shell country of vassals by 1500. Even today there's more Mongols in China than Mongolia itself.
Hi, sorry to correct. "China" did not punish the "Mongols", but it was the Ming dynasty, which had a very large number of Mongol supporters as well, who punished the Northern Yuan dynasty for refusing to submit to the dynastic change. At the time of the dynastic change, many Han people also supported the Yuan including many of the major warlords who opposed the rise of the Ming (see David M Robinson, In the Shadow of the Mongol Empire). The Yuan emperors distrusted Han scholar officials because of fear of revolts, yes, but you could argue that the Ming emperors also relied on eunuchs, especially ethnic minorities, also because they feared giving too much power to scholar officials (its not a coincidence that one third of the Embroidered uniform guard officers were Mongols and Jurchens). The Tang also did something similar with immigrant governors, and even the Han dynasty created a separate Xiongnu force which they used to suppress internal unrest.
 

birdlikefood

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Opium War is almost 2 centuries ago. Congress thinks it could still harbor drug lords. Not anymore, a drug dealer should and will be executed in China.
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Suppose in reverse:
If a Chinese is sentenced to death for drug trafficking in the United States. Representatives of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress voted 2980:0 in favor of urging the United States to immediately acquit the drug dealer and welcome him back home with grand etiquette. What kind of monstrous waves will China's public opinion cause?

At least as a Chinese, if something like this happens, even if by that time my country’s GDP is the sum of the remaining countries, and my country’s nuclear arsenal can destroy all major countries ten times, I think my country has already on the road to perdition.

It is really unthinkable, I think the only comparable stupidity is to give up force to regain Taiwan, or to dismantle the "Nanjing Massacre Memorial Hall". Maybe the bottomless tolerance for drug dealers will really usher in the downfall of the Chinese government.

There is a saying in China that is often repeated on various major occasions: "Forgetting means betrayal!"

China is often criticized for being too nationalistic, yet America is hopelessly racist.
 
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supersnoop

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in medieval Europe, it was impossible to discipline Royal children as the prince’s often had “whipping boys” (hence the term) where the unfortunate boy (often a peasant) was whipped in their stead.

US elites fancy themselves feudal lords so they expect the entire world to be their whipping boys, complete with taking US inflation and not having better infrastructure cuz it’ll make Anglo america look bad.
I think after all the time spent in Afghanistan, they actually fancy themselves lords of another kind, and instead of simple whipping boys, they have Bacha Bazi to which they do a lot worse than whipping.

Very apt in what they do to the rest of the world I think…
 

Chevalier

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absolutely wrong.

Russians imposed Russian culture and language on the Baltics after effortlessly conquering them within weeks. No Russian leader ever feared for his life in the Baltics. Russia already had great achievements in art, science and literature before conquering the Baltics.

Yuan did not impose Mongolian culture and language on China. Oppositely, Yuan adopted Chinese customs and language. China, not Mongolia, had the greater achievements in art, science and literature. Song China resisted fiercely over 50 years and killed Mongke Khan. Mongol leaders constantly feared for their lives after the conquest and preferred interacting with Persians as the intermediary with an angry Chinese bureaucracy.

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. China punished Mongolia to the degree where they went from a massive empire in 1200 to a depopulated shell country of vassals by 1500. Even today there's more Mongols in China than Mongolia itself.

Baltics didn't achieve independence by themselves, they just waited the Russians out while they were pressured by foreign forces. They don't even dare to dream of conquering or punishing Russia.
Indeed; Balts are lucky we live in a kinder, more civilised world where the only sort of response to Baltic and Lithuanian treachery is the torching of several border villages and enslavement of Balts and pagan Lithuanians.


There will always be traitors and useless idiots; we can only hope that their judicial example serves as a preventative against future collusion with foreign malefactors.


Perhaps this is why Germany has become more critical of China, it’s like the US tech giant story all over again.
When these entities lose market share in China because they simply cannot compete with Chinese firms, they arrogantly cry unfair market conditions when truth is they couldn’t adapt or refused to adapt.

The best part of ice cream gate are the memes
 
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