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solarz said:

This is the claim, this is the statement I don't agree with.



In what ways are Afghan women "objectively" better under the US occupation than under the Taliban? What measures? Life expectancy? Literacy? Happiness Index? Purchasing Power?

Remember that since you are saying "For the Afghans under occupation", you are presumably talking about ALL of Afghanistan, and not just the middle class or the wealthy living in cities.

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Women were better under the American and the previous ousted Afghan gov't because the elites were able to

Xsizor said:

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Yeah. It's a pity.

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Why it's a pity? It's their country, their religion and culture. Whatever your views on their cultural practices is immaterial and must not take precedence over what the vast majority of people over in that country think, feel, and want. I mean if that country was trying to truly persist on adopting some of the cultural practice that America and the west have instilled in that country then they would have fought tooth and nail to prevent the Taliban from taking over don't you think?

The U.S. and NATO wouldn't have been in Afghanistan if it wasn't for the attack that happened in 9/11 which means the Americans didn't give a hoot whether the women in that country were tethered at home and not allowed to do anything other than be subjected at the whims of the strictest interpretation of Islam, the tribal practices etc. I don't understand all the gnashing of teeth and the omg what's going to happen to the poor women and children of Afghanistan now that the ghastly Taliban are back in power. There are so many shitty places for women and children around the world that's not getting the same sympathetic feel or attention that women of Afghanistan are now receiving which goes to show really how powerful and effective the western propaganda machine is and how influential their media in terms of creating this confusion as to what was the original purpose and mission of the U.S. in Afghanistan. It wasn't for nation building and it certainly wasn't for bringing rights to the women in Afghanistan or to bring western style democracy on a country that's steeped in archaic tribal system.

As long as Afghanistan doesn't export, breed, and spouse terrorists and terrorist activities, run their country that's able to serve the interest all of its citizens on the countryside and not just city centers then that's all we must look forward to. And if the future continues to trend positively for that country then the rights of women and others will follow through to it's natural order. The process must not be rushed and must not be based from a western time f..ng table to expect Afghanistan to have the same level of sophistication with respect to women's rights is just plain old idiotic and silly. No western countries were able to arrive or treat their women "rights" within 20 years of those countries modern foundings.

Oliver Stone put it best re why the US wanted in on A-stan and Iraq; it's basically MacKinder's Heartland Theory all over again

In any case, the return of taliban A-stan could have a profound future:

I suspect A-stan will resemble more saudi arabia with mineral resources and even today's saudi is becoming more liberal as modernity pushes in.

Women had way more rights under Soviet rule. Even after the Taliban was ousted most women in Afghanistan wore veils or some form of facial covering. Exposing legs… are you out of your mind…

This could easily be posted on the Taiwan thread. But since it also includes Afghanistan. I think it's more appropriate here.

Basically, can the Taiwan traitors rely on U.S. to defend their interest? And if they are in any doubt, please take a look at the current situation to remove all doubts.

From RT:

China taunts Taiwan as America reels from Afghan defeat: ‘Once war comes, the island will collapse and the US won't come to help’

Beijing flexes its muscles in the wake of America’s humiliating exit from Afghanistan, with a hard-hitting Global Times editorial warning Taipei that, when it comes to the crunch, it will also be abandoned by Washington.

With Washington in a state of panic and disarray following the outcome in Afghanistan, China has moved fast to exploit what it perceives as America's humiliation in order to reassert its position on Taiwan.

On Monday night, the Global Times unleashed a scathing editorial, taunting Taipei that it would collapse swiftly, just like the Kabul regime, in the wake of an invasion by Chinese forces, and questioning Washington's resolve to save it in such a scenario. The next day, Beijing followed up with a massive air force and navy exercise off the island.

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RT must be loving the current predicament of the U.S. I guess it's payback time for all those taunting years about the Soviets withdrawal from Afghanistan.​

Taliban issues ultimatum that U.S. must withdrawn by...... 9 11.​

US must complete withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan by September 11, Taliban spokesperson says​

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Xsizor said:

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It's not that simple. Under Muslim social contract, female has no obligation of supporting anyone, while the senior male does to everyone in his family. So in the situation of massive unemployment, a single female job may take away the livelihood of a whole family. This is why in Afghanistan, some young boys had resorted to prostituting themselves to provide for his mother and siblings. Their social norm simply did not caught up to modernity yet. The same situation actually happened in UK in late 19th century -- female had no obligation to pay tax for the money she earned, but her husband had to pay HER taxes. It didn't matter before because few women had jobs, but became a problem as more women have jobs. Even then it took years before the law was changed. They will eventually adapt to modernity by changing their social contract by means acceptable to them. All it takes is time.

Taliban is not as evil as western media made it out to be. It committed far less atrocities than the westerners. It does has antiquated moral code which it adhere to, which is why Afghan people trust it more than the kleptocracy the US had set up. Also this Taliban is not the radical Taliban of 20 years ago -- the extremist youth of the past has now become middle and elder by now. They are likely tempered by their experience to be less extreme and idealistic then in their youth.

Clashes between Kashmiri protestors and Indian police. According to RT (or perhaps other Indian sources) this is a protest against Covid restrictions. But these protesters are probably emboldened by the Taliban success.

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Where the F do the anglos have the fall to expect help from China, after trying to bully and intimidate and threaten and attack China these past few years.

Just finished listening to the deposed Afghanistan President Ghani making his case and presentation to NATO back in 2018. In this talk he talked positively about his country's forces willingness to defend the country and the supposed readiness of his forces touting his Air Force. We all know what happened to those forces. I think Biden was right to pull out and regardless of what happened the outcome would have been the same if the pullout happened 5 or 20 years from now.

Bellum_Romanum said:

Just finished listening to the deposed Afghanistan President Ghani making his case and presentation to NATO back in 2018. In this talk he talked positively about his country's forces willingness to defend the country and the supposed readiness of his forces touting his Air Force. We all know what happened to those forces. I think Biden was right to pull out and regardless of what happened the outcome would have been the same if the pullout happened 5 or 20 years from now.

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I don't blame him. His family is comfortably living overseas. I blame those Afghanis who supported him. They could've chose someone who has more at stake and deeper ties to Afghanistan. He shouldn't have jumped ships abandoning his land.

Right now, there are reports that Taliban is facing difficulties in having state machinery ( banking, networks, finance, energy etc) run because they don't have anything resembling a degree or good education. This has forced them to call back those who previously used to work in the government. I sense an opportunity for everlasting settlement here.