manqiangrexue
Brigadier
The post I responded to from Spring2017 talked about overthrowing the ruling class so that's where it came from. I have no qualms with criticizing unfair practices, although one needs to keep in mind that there is no government or elite entity that is completely fair so given that context, if China is particularly unfair in one area, it should be brought out for change.
They live regular lives working hard like the vast majority of the world.
China's healthcare system handled COVID a lot better than European ones did.
You didn't have a Chinese father or you would have heard ad nauseum that if you end up poor, it's your fault for not working hard enough. But yes, given China's population to natural resources ratio, one can put up a good fight, fail, and end up with little. It was particularly true in the past but as Chinese society grows richer in total, this happens less and less. China is a developing country after all so the people have to gun it out as they have for decades now.
Now now, that's a lie. Your whole purpose in the conversation is hoping to burst my bubble, but this is a steel bubble and you have a rubber needle.
Oh cool. Was this made by the same guys who made the pandemic readiness index? LOL right off the bat, I see that the US is not in the top 20. The top 20 is comprised mainly of anemic developed economies with basically very little growth potential or economic dynamism. That index is worth less than the paper it's printed on and it's virtual!
Who said India? Did you just say India and tell me not to say India???
And yeah, Chinese people naturally deserve more than Indians, right? India embraces the democracy that the British left them with, then when a China that bucked all imperial influences including British ones leaves India the dust, the British disown them and casually say of course being Chinese, you deserve more and can't compare yourselves to lowly India. That's real nice to your former colony and followers...
Why do you keep bringing up India???
You've pointed it out but supported it poorly. China is a meritocracy as much as any country should be and if you have an innovative tech idea, the environment for development in China is the best in the world for your advancement especially given the tech war. China's not an old European economy where people can expect to be taken care of even it they do very little and that's what drives China forward. It is the pursuit of a good living, then an elite status, but not the guarantee of obtaining either. China's economy is young; there is much fighting to do. It cannot be a comfortable slouch like some small developed economies with neither national goal nor rival.
No one said to obey without question. You made this up. I clearly said,
"Chinese people just need to do their best to develop themselves as best they could, because the government has already made a system that will harness that energy to drive the nation with. As long as they don't hate or try to attack the wealthy and successful Chinese, they can find by natural competition where they'd like to work, do their best for their bosses while the smarter ones look for opportunities to start their own businesses, and the system will do the rest."
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
But this is a huge "if" that is not applicable to China because Chinese society and wages overall are growing rapidly and more Chinese people have been lifted out of poverty than anywhere in the world. But also, national growth is the most important thing, at least for China because all Chinese know from history that we will be robbed into paupers for weakness. Better to work hard and not have as much as you'd like while building a better future for your children than to have nothing but a foreign boot on your neck. We are a generation that has to work hard and take risk, not a generation that can slack off and expect handouts. Chinese people have come to accept that; you don't need to complain for us, thanks.
Another if LOL
Wow, you are really bad at getting the point. What field do you work on? You think you're more capable than the owner and bosses? Do you work in a tech field? As I said, "The stupid never see the brilliance of others because it goes over their heads." But we all like to pretend that we're not higher up just due to the circumstances and that we're no worse than anything else, even if every measure says it's false.
There is no logical reason for this conclusion. You can say it for any country with any mobility but any system that evaluates small anemic developed nations as its highest is clearly flawed.
Doesn't matter what you'd be happy with and I'll post as much as I see fit.
China is a country that comes down and curbs its own megacorps and elites when they behave inappropriately or overstep the line for how much power they are allowed to have. To many people's shock, even midst the tech war, China clamps down on its own mega tech companies. The issues that you see are not in China but a reflection of your own society.
Which is why China mints almost half the new billionaires in the world with less than a quarter of the population. Those indices and coefficients rarely get exposed for their uselessness but when it happens like in COVID, it's spectacular.
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